Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics

June 25, 2013

Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics

Latest Gay Marriage Support Poll

  • Strongly favor/favor: 55%
  • Oppose/strongly appose: 44%
  • Unsure: 2%

Support Trends

  • Public support for gay marriage has increased about 1% annually over the last two decades.
  • Statisticians predict a majority of Americans will support gay marriage by 2012.

States Where Gay Marriage Is Legal

  • Massachusetts (2004)
  • Connecticut (2008)
  • Iowa (2009)
  • Vermont (2009)
  • New Hampshire (2010)
  • Washington, D.C. (2010) (not a state)
  • New York (2012)
  • Washington (2012)
  • Maine (2012)
  • Maryland (2012)
  • Rhode Island (2013)
  • Delaware (2013)
  • Minnesota (2013)

States That Recognize Out-of-State Gay Marriages:

  • California (only if the marriage is from before Proposition 8 was passed)

Gay Couples Demographics:

The most recent census did not count gay marriages directly, so the following are estimates based on how people reported their household. It counts households with 2 members of the same sex that are unrelated. So this includes things like domestic partnerships.

  • Total Number of Gay Couples: 594,391
  • Number of People in a Couple: 1.2 Million
  • State With the Most Couples: California (92,138)
  • State With the Least Couples: North Dakota (703)
  • Highest Concentration of Gay Couple (% of all couples): Washington, D.C. (1.29%)
  • Lowest Concentration of Gay Couples (% of all couples): North and South Dakota (.22%)

Gay people make up 1-4% of the population in most cities, but are more concentrated [PDF] in metropolitan areas.

Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics Source: 2000 Census.

Most Same Sex Couples by City

  1. New York, NY: 47,000
  2. Los Angeles, CA: 12,000
  3. Chicago, IL: 10,000

Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics Source: 2000 Census.

Highest LGBT Concentration by Major Metropolitan City

  1. San Francisco, CA: 15.4%
  2. Seattle, WA: 12.9%
  3. Atlanta, GA: 12.8%

Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics Source: 2000 Census.

Lowest LGBT Concentration by Major Metropolitan City

  1. Detroit, MI: 1.5%
  2. Richmond, VA: 3.4%
  3. Cleveland, OH and Memphis, TN: 3.5%

Gay Marriage Facts and Statistics Source: 2000 Census.

Resources

State by State Map of Gay Marriage Laws. The Wall Street Journal compiled information from the Human Rights Campaign, the National Conference of State Legislatures, and other sources, to compile a user-friendly interactive map.

Year 2000 Census Information on Same Sex Households. Expect these numbers to increase in 2010 more than other types of families. The 2010 census was the first to let gay couples report as married.

About Gideon Alper

Gideon Alper
Gideon is a Florida attorney that focuses on gay adoption, LGBT estate planning, and second parent adoption.

1 samantha marie March 16, 2010 at 10:56 am

i think the world is crazy they should let the same sex get married. i think if its not you then leave it alone. i KNOW im Bi so i fight for my rights.! =] thanks

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2 Kathy March 1, 2011 at 11:12 am

:] You sound like my friend samii insane :]

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3 suck ' my swagg (: May 25, 2011 at 10:47 am

im ‘ bi , too & I completely understand , lol so . . . the way people judge aint really sh*x , too – me ♥

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4 ginger balls October 24, 2011 at 7:56 am

I know what you spittin

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5 ladiie.schafer March 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm

mmmmmmhmmmm :D wats yho numba………….!!! lol 4 real tho

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6 mini123456789 May 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm

IM not gay or bi but i think people should leave them alone theyre people to and they deserve marrage

7 *sexxy iis my swaqq lol* September 7, 2012 at 8:17 am

lol

8 *sexxy iis my swaqq lol* September 7, 2012 at 8:14 am

ii feel you on that

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9 dorian davis 8th grader June 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm

it is good to know that both of you are for gay marriage. I am doing a debate about gay marriage and i am for them getting married. I may be straight but i am loving everyone.

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10 yankel July 26, 2011 at 3:24 am

Can anyone explain to me what is the guideline? if same sex marriage is OK then what stops it from going further? or is further just a block away? what about having more then one mate? what about marring a sister or brother or parent? (or even your pet) what is the line? if its all about people falling in harmless love and why shouldn’t we respect that? I want someone to please explain this to me. If by time all or some of my suggestions will become normal then i think we are in big trouble, as same sex marriage was just as far fetched 40 years ago then a few of my suggestions here now , and if that changed why cant everything change?

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11 Matthew Temple August 8, 2011 at 12:42 pm

If we ask WHERE WILL IT STOP!!!. We have to ask WHERE DID IT START!!! And that would be with opposite sex couples!!! You are the gateway! You are the problem! You are responsible for all of this!! If opposite sex couples couldn’t get married we would not have all of these problems. You are destroying EVERYTHING!!! Arrogant, Self Centered people who want to be legally and spiritually joined with the one they love!! It’s disgusting!! Get my point?

12 Sam October 13, 2011 at 8:51 pm

Obviously marrying a sister, borther, parent, or pet is stupid. Why are you asking Dumb questions like that? Use your common sense. If you were the one in the shoes of a person in love with a person of the same sex, how would you feel if it wasn’t allowed? Times are different these days. People are more accepting of each other. Obvioulsy no one in their right mind would let any one marry any one in realation to that person or another animal. Just becasue one thing changes, doesn’t mean everything else is. Quit being stupid and ignorant. There is nothing wrong with gay partnership. People that are gay and married are also having children now. Just because a childs parents are gay, it doesn’t mean that the child or chilren will be gay too. Most people of the gay orientation come from a background where being gay was not even an option or even thought of; but they came out the way they did. Everyone on this earth no matter how they are raised can choose to be who they are and love who they love. Every person in my opinion growing up has a 50/50 chance of becoming gay. There are also a lot of reasons why a person becomes gay anyways. You have to know a persons story before you can tell them what the ending is. So you tell me why we are discrimination against gays and not letting them get married? Why are you so against it? There are many gays that are very religious and ask for God to forgive them. Everyday many sins are committed; and according to church and other religious ground the higher power is always forgiving. So please tell me whats so wrong.

13 Vinny October 13, 2011 at 9:06 pm

your point is nieve and dumb because who are you to say such things? What if the reasons behind it are different like people that mistreat there wife or husband. have you considered that? so who is the real arrogent, self centered person? if they wish to get married then go ahead it is not going to affect anyone in any way unless you are the person that is trying to cause a problem.

14 Dre October 30, 2011 at 5:58 pm

Matthew Temple is a homo and a self-centered left-wing liberal

15 Matthew Temple November 6, 2011 at 6:00 pm

Dre.. you are correct I am gay and I’m a social liberal but I am not self-centered or selfish. And unlike you I’m not a whinny coward who does not use his full name to post.

16 Alex Claunch November 16, 2011 at 12:54 am

This difference is that there are people FIGHTING for gay marriage. The minute there’s an organization of people wanting to marry their cats or siblings, then give yourself a pat on the back. Just don’t hold your breath for it. But also remember, back when our country was divided on freeing the slaves, one of the arguments against it was “Next thing you know – they’ll be wanting to vote.”

17 Felisha Lovett November 18, 2011 at 7:14 pm

Look sir, if you would bother doing the proper and being educated you would know that there perfectly reasonable reasons why the law still does not allow close relatives to marry, and for them to also not marry animals. They cut that relative shit out because of the fact was these people were trying to procreate as well as fall in “harmless love” as you would put. However, it has been shown SCIENTIFICALLY that the children of such bonds are born with serious birth defects that could very well hamper a child’s delevopement and/or kill them. What would be the point of allowing such meaningless when it can easily be stopped. You forget (or simply did not know more likely) that marrying your relatives had at one point been legal in the states as well as other places as a method to keep aristocratic bloodlines pure. However, through thier not knowing, they were pretty much driving themselves to instinction by continuing to marry within the family. Read a book, you might learn something rather than bother other people with your stupid questions.
As for animals, the same thing applies as these people also sought to procreate with these poor creatures. Of course that didn’t work, and soon the law made even THAt illegal as it was proven that animals for the most part don’t even know what thier “love-partner” is doing to them and some would even argue that it only scars them for thier short lifes.
Once again, read a book. And anyone yelling at you can also shut the hell up if they cannot think of a intelligent and calm rebuttal to your ignorance.
As for the notion of gay marriage, other than people not being able to get past for reason such as it “not being natural” or “against God”, you have provided really no reason why it is not completely plausible for two people of the same sex to be married. However, I can school you on why they should. One: They do not seek to procreate seeing as that is a imposibility unless artificial insemination or a surrogate mother is placed in the mix. This means more children who are without famlies can be adopted instead of opposite sex couples creating more children than the world knows what to do with or can credibly take care of if the parents were to parish. Or at least they could adopt if our current law system for the most part wasn’t cock-blocking them at every turn, claiming to think that a child will turn gay or messed up if raised by a homosexual couple (which has been proven to be incorrect of many accounts and promptly ignored, what a surprise.)
Two: Where some people have a problem with homosexuality with the argument that it’s unnatural, I think you couldn’t be anymore wrong. Look at some species, if not all species of animals. It has been seen through study that animals cooped up in a small area begin to mate with sex of their species they are encountered with, whether they be male or female. Once again I say, OPEN A BOOK!
And finally Three: On a religious basis, how dare someone call something else unnatural or wrong based on any faith that is not even completely proven to be truth in its own right. The “miracles” that have been seen throughout history have been nothing short of unnatural and wrong in the eyes of nature, however, somehow because it has done some kind of right by us, we don’t see it that way. We see it as beautiful and spiritual. Well, maybe that’s how homosexuals see thier love. And why should they have to feel any different simply because some ignorant neanderthals who aren’t happy with thier lives so want other people to join them in their melancholy say that what they feel in their minds and hearts is wrong and they need to stop or they will go straight to hell. A place that has yet to be proven to exist.
I probably go longer with this but for the sake of your miniscule brain, and also the fact that you probably won’t read this since you would not someone to pierce your small bubble of comfort so utterly and completey, I will stop here and leave for those other idiots who want to use that same lame excuse, “Where will it stop?” It stops when you stop being a dumbass and look at the facts! Out.

18 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:29 am

There is a complete difference between allowing a man and a man or woman and a woman to get married than any of the examples that you listed. Homosexuality occurs VERY often in nature. It is a natural compulsion that cannot be helped. However, when you look at incest in nature, it hardly ever occurs because it contaminates the gene pool and no one and nothing wants that; inter-species relations are nonexistent for obvious reasons. Humans and other mammals have ALWAYS been gay. You mentioned that 40 years ago gay marriage was out of the question, but 2500 years ago, the Greeks were out fucking each other like crazy and were looked down upon for having a female partner. Just because of our Puritanical culture, homosexuality has been out of fashion for several decades. It is nothing new, and in my opinion, is a genetic trait designed to keep over-population under control.

19 Anthony Asplund November 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm

@ Matthew Temple
Getting personal is not going to win any argument. And, your logic is precarious. You say that straight marriage is the “gateway” to gay marriage. That does not follow. You cannot take an idea and make it the cause of your actions. YOU are the cause of your actions. It’s almost like saying that doing well in school is the gateway for failing school. A person’s actions cannot be the cause of another’s actions. In any case, being gay is not in harmony with nature. The purpose of a man and a woman is to bear children. From a physical perspective, there is a reason why a man has a penis and a woman a vagina. The purpose of a butt hole is not procreation, nor recreation. It is strictly meant to be an exit for the waste product of metabolism and digestion. And, by your standards, I am not a coward. I provided my last name so you can mug me(in your case hug me) or do whatever your heart desires.

20 Alan November 23, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Anthony – You seem to like the word “logic” (you used it in a response to one of my own comments), but you need to understand the concept of logic a little better before you start applying the word quite so freely. You contend that straight marriage being the gateway to gay marriage does not follow, suggesting that this would be “almost like saying that doing well in school is the gateway for failing in school.” Here it is your own logic argument that is faulty. ENTERING school could be the gateway for failing school, knowing that a certain percentage of students do fail; or doing well in school NOW might be the gateway for doing well in school in the FUTURE; but the logic does not apply that doing well in school would be the gateway for failing, in fact, it would be quite the opposite – success is the gateway to more success, not to failure. Now, we could apply your school analogy to marriage this way: straight marriage is the gateway to divorce (because approximately 50% of straight marriages do end in divorce) just as entering school is the gateway to failing. But it really DOES correctly follow that straight marriage IS the gateway to gay marriage. Straight marriage establishes the parameters for “a” marriage, which then becomes the gateway to the parameters for “any” marriage. Further, it is the laws applied to marriage, providing special benefits to married couples not given to other types of commitment relationships, which becomes the gateway to discussions of applying those same considerations to same-sex couples. Whether the law allows us to walk through that gateway or not is a different question, but the gateway analogy still stands as correct logic.

21 Alan November 23, 2011 at 7:18 pm

Now, Anthony, as to your contention that “the purpose of a man and a woman is to bear children,” this time your application of the word “purpose” must be questioned. From this you are implying that the only purpose for mankind is to maintain the survival of the species. That would put us no higher in purpose than plants – I happen to put the purpose of mankind much higher than that. Your comment also applies to every time an argument is raised that suggests that the ability to produce children is the primary requirement for a marriage to be allowed. Marriage laws are not applied to a couple’s ability to produce children; if they were, there are many straight marriages that would not be allowed. Yes, there is a physiological purpose for the male penis and female vagina, which does relate directly to procreation, but not to the relationship between the man and woman or to their marriage. Marriage is much more than just procreation; and even gay couples do have ways of producing and raising children. Your definition of “purpose” also needs correcting as it applies to some of the limitations you have placed on human physiology and anatomy. For instance, are you going to suggest that fingers are only for picking up things? Then how is it that I am typing at the computer right now? And where would you like us to put rings, like wedding bands? Many parts of our anatomy are multi-purpose, either naturally or by our human devising: mouths for eating, drinking, AND speaking; ears for hearing AND holding up glasses; tongues for tasting, pronouncing words, and licking stamps (I won’t go into the details of how wonderfully useful the tongue can be in recreational sex!). While it is true that the butt hole is not involved in procreation, I think you will find both straight and gay couples who could fully describe its recreational qualities. Plus, if we’re going to restrict each part of the body to only one use, and you plan to use your penis for procreation, I hope you have found another part of your body to use for urination – good luck on that.

22 You're straight retarded. December 7, 2011 at 9:34 am

I can’t believe the mass ignorance.

23 Holly December 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm

Ummm…really you have to ask? The answer is human. All humans should have the right to be marry whoever they want because they’re in love. Now, with that being said, yes some people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because it’s morally wrong. This would be the sibling or other family member. 1.that’s nasty and 2. it’s immoral
Who would do that?? Yuck!

24 Foxfire December 8, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Matthew, what ever your name is. Did you ever consider that having a black/ muslim president or what ever the fuck he is could be the begenning or maybe even allowing slaves to have rights. Paying illegal immigrants to live in our county and bomb us. Times are changing. Pull your thumb our of your ass and open your closet door.

25 Fabio February 24, 2012 at 5:50 am

“No greater love than this. That a man lay down his life……. ”

Robert died that I might live. I’d have done the same. I love him. He is nolonger here – but love does not die, as God is Love, and God lives in those who love.

“What God has joined together – let no man separate.” You cannot destroy love. You cannot separate those who love truly.

“Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments…… ”

Straight people, well christians certainly, go on and on about love between a man and a woman. Fantastic.

Gays out to destroy marriage, society – the entire creation, when they – the straight brigade have done a perfectly good job of that themselves.

Scapegoating – just as you did with the One you claim to follow.

How many straight marriages fall apart because the man and woman were driven by lust rather than love. Falling in and out of ‘love’,

Most I’d say.

How many straight married couples you know who are truly happy ? Hmmm.

Straight christians are the ones who make everything about sex. Repressed nymphos that they be.

It’s not rocket science.

And loving really is the hardest thing in the world very often.

Most christians, from what I read online, prove that. They cannot love. They don’t know how to love – so would tell others to do what they cannot do themselves.

The rest, who can or at try to truly love, are challenged greatly and constantly in trying to understand the ‘christian’ and love him/her truly.

We don’t need to wait for hell. You would have us there already in this world – living love less lives like your own.

No, it’s not going to happen.

True love is a good, Godly thing.

Be careful what you call ‘evil’.

You risk forgiveness in this life and the life to come.

Now brothers and sisters – just get over yourselves, and at the very least – at least, TRY and lead by example.

Love changes everything – live or perish, in its flame – love will never ever let you be the same again. :-)

From the hell you’d have me live on earth. Love to you all ! Mmwwwaahhhh.

xxxxxxxxxx

26 hunter February 24, 2012 at 10:48 am

bro… your concerns may seem legitimate to you because you dont trust people to know where to stop. marrying a pet or a relative. that is not going to happen. we trust people to keep good morals regaurdless of beliefs because truly the things we will do spring out of our morals. dont preach the whole “slippery slope” concept. just preach morals.

27 michelle February 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Well i get yankel point completely i mean everyone has a right i guess its not something i agree with at all but if its ok to marry the same sex then why cant you marry a cousin or sibling and that will bring up all the questions and when did pushing gay lifestyle in the face ok i mean we dont push being straight in ppl face so why do ppl get mad if i say marriage should be how God made it

28 BOB May 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm

uhmmm that’s not really on the topic this is a cite for gays/lesbians not for you to talk about beastallity and incest. so please dont write stuff like this

29 Jordan August 19, 2012 at 9:30 am

I didn’t read all the comments to this because of the overwhelming amount of replies, but lets take a dig at some of your worries. First of all (pets), an animal is not legally a citizen nor would any court find an animal mentally fit to sign a marriage license, throw that argument out it makes no sense. Please do not compare human beings with animals it’s degrading for all of us.

Secondly same sex marriage was far fetched 40 years ago but in the length of history homosexuality was not, in the least, far fetched. This argument usually comes out of a lack of knowledge of history, look at the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and even the British Empire and there is documented records of it. Also if the idea of homosexuality was so far fetched why does the Bible speak about it in more than one cultural setting?

You need to understand that different cultures approached homosexuality differently and we in America are a melting pot of different cultures. Therefore you WILL get people opposing and other people embracing homosexuality. Since it is wrong to impede on the rights of others. Those who are against homosexuality shouldn’t have the right to pass laws restricting the rights of others.

It is not a social issue, its a civil rights issue.

And lastly let me cue you in on some weird American marriages.

A woman married an amusement park train, a woman married her deceased boyfriend, a man married his pillow, a man married his Volkswagen beetle. These all are marriages that took place in the United States. Still think that we are that far from your suggestions?

Sexuality isn’t a gateway drug.

30 Jordan August 19, 2012 at 9:32 am

@ Anthony

Yes the purpose of a man and woman is to procreate, which is why, if a woman is sterile she should NEVER be allowed to marry… lets pass that law, shall we?

31 Caitlin October 31, 2012 at 10:03 am

Why do you have to bring up the fact of marrying the same sex is like having sex with a dog or marrying your brothers and sisters? Thats morally wrong. Its just two people getting married. So what? If it dosent concern you then why stick your nose in it? Let the gays be gay and us straight people let us be straight and everyone will be happy.

32 Savannah November 14, 2012 at 9:27 pm

@Yankel and @Sam
i Agree with Yankel but I more so lean towards Sam’s ideas. Although gay marriages were as far fetched at any point before the 80′s and even the 90′s as it was to marry a family member or…okay a pet. But society has evolved and has become more accepting of a persons sexual orientation…those words they sound so odd. But as Sam says, a persons sexuality is mostly determined by their environment. I, personally am not gay, but i havemany gay, lesbian, or bi friends and to me they are completely normal, many are my best friends. But to take away peoples civil liberties and rights is unconstitutional. I am always open to hear anyones opinions and i think it is healthy to learn and hear others opinions. Just because you have and opinion doesnt mean its the only one. Okay well im done adding my two cents. Bi-Bi ;)

33 Lukas March 24, 2013 at 8:14 am

People said the same thing about interracial marriage a wile ago. Now that is normal. You comparing same sex marriage to marring your sister is like doing the same thing to interracial marriage. What makes gay marriage ANYTHING like bestiality you cunt? Explain that to me you worthless waist of space.

34 Emm May 9, 2013 at 11:58 pm

Marrying your family member or having more than one mate shouldn’t even be compared to same sex marriage. that’s sad if you and other people think of it like that. homosexuals aren’t sick people. same sex marriage can be just as beautiful as a heterosexual one. they probably even have more respect for each other and their decision than most heterosexuals.

35 Sabrina Crouch 7th grader November 2, 2011 at 5:50 pm

So am I did you get any good or useful information because I can’t find any thing that can help me but this is my first day please help me I want to pass seventh grade
- Sabrina A. Crouch

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36 Julia December 4, 2011 at 2:59 pm

@Anthony-

So when you say that you would rather have a man and a woman raise a child than two men or two women raise a child, do you mean to say that if I, a thirteen year old girl, were to be pregnant right now, you would rather have me raise the baby in the 8th grade then have two 40 year old women raise that baby? Hmmm your “logic” is interesting

37 Jen May 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm

Fabio Read the verse befor that and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his WIFE, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

38 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 6:59 pm

thats not showing love to them. Loving them would be to help them ..its not the way its supposed to be.

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39 Marie October 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm

lol ur absurd yankel .. theres no reason for gay marriage to turn into having sex with animals or insest because theres no comparison at all. its two HUMAN BEINGS of the same sex loving each other whats the problem with that? honestly how does that relate to insest in any which way? am i dating my sister? no I believe I’m just dating another female. Are you relating same sex marriage to animals? Like I dont fully understand…

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40 Ashley May 30, 2012 at 11:03 pm

This is so stupid if you want to marry your same sex then do it. They sholdn’t have to make a big deal out of it. It gets into peoples privacy. If your gay or Bi the police just can’t go freeze your under arrest because you like a dude or girl. They aren’t hurting anyone so just leave them alone. I don’t think gay marriage is right but no one can say who and who you can’t marry. The constition states all citizens have enalienble rights. If you love someone with all your heart no one should say different.

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41 Diego Franco May 5, 2011 at 11:16 am

Ewwwwww, homo! haha :)

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42 angel & shawna March 2, 2012 at 9:49 am

i am for gay marriage so shut up oh and bt the way im bi

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43 Autumn April 20, 2012 at 1:06 pm

Diego, you are a bitch! ahahaha!!!!! <3 I am straight and I still believe in gay rights. Everyone should be treated equal. So fuckk off! Also you have a hispanic name so why would you be against rights for people thats so dumb. If gay people can't have rights then neither should immagrents! Think about that!
p.s.
you are a stupid douche! (:

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44 BiAndProud January 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm

I agree completely :)

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45 Destinee February 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm

I agree with you i’m also bi and im doing this research for my paper about approving gay marriage!(: GAY RIGHTS<33

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46 Amber February 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm

me to :) I am bi to and I read some interesting things regarding this topic :)

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47 Lacey Steele March 1, 2012 at 9:43 am

i’m bi as well, i’m a sophomore at dover high, everyone has the right to love whom they want.

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48 hunter February 24, 2012 at 10:58 am

i am a normal straight maale and i completely believe in what you are saying. people should always have a right to choose. whether it be choosing what to eat for lunch or choosing who you want to spend your life with. would i do it? no. would i support it? hell yeah. if you want to marry a person that is the same sex more power to you my friends. remember just keep on keeping on. people will come to realize what is going on and how it is completely ok. oh and to all you people who think that gay marriage is wrong. if we wouldn’t have had people fighting for the right to choose. all black people would still be slaves.

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49 Unknown March 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm

You better check the bible before we are all struck down by GOD!!!

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50 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:16 am

Please, don’t bring the Bible into this. And if you do, whoo! I’m going to hell! I’ll meet you there ;)

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51 Lilly canales May 1, 2012 at 10:45 pm

How crazy is it that same sex marriage isn’t allowed? The only thing that should matter when getting married is love. Gender shouldn’t even be a major factor in marriage. Generally, people can get arrested for discrimination so why is it that America continues to deny gay citizens the right to marry who they choose. After all We all are human. We all were born with natural rights and no one should be able to take that away from gay couples who want to get married. I’m in 8th grade and haven’t found the person I love yet but if I did I wouldn’t want to be told I couldn’t get married because of gender.

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52 Burn September 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm

My mom & her girlfriend have been together since I was 5, I am now 18. Yea there have been some serious arguments, but neither one of them ever left. Where as in straight marriages, people get divorced every time something doesn’t go their way. My mom & her GF aren’t married, but they are still together. That’s love, that’s what matters.

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53 kels November 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

i totally agree with you, thank u for saying that!

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54 Carlie March 22, 2013 at 9:52 am

I too am bi and i find what you say to be very true and i respect you for it! they need to mind their own buisness if they don’t like that we are bi (or like the same sex).

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55 Erica November 26, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Well I agree With Gay Marriage. Its the right Thing. Nothinq wronq with it! So dont hate on gay marriage.

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56 Emily January 17, 2011 at 1:42 pm

I think there is nothing wrong with gay marriage. We have rights so why don’t they?

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57 courtney February 16, 2011 at 11:58 am

i think same sex marriage is perfectly ok. why wouldnt they have the same rights aseveryone elts

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58 Nathan February 24, 2011 at 3:31 pm

It is a sin to be gay, and the Bible says homosexuals will not go to Heaven. So then, why support gay rights if it gets homosexuals to Hell?

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
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- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

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59 pseudo March 29, 2011 at 10:24 pm

not everybody beleives in God. i think it’s safe to say that if they respect your religious beliefs, you can respect their right to be married.

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60 kohaku_chan March 30, 2011 at 12:17 am

Try justifiying that to someone who is an atheist

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61 Anthony Asplund November 22, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Nobody is Atheist. Let me rephrase: NOBODY is truly Atheist. When it comes down to it, they believe, as much as any good Christian, that God exists, or they at least hope there is.

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62 Holly December 7, 2011 at 11:52 pm

how?

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63 Mandie February 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Where, exactly, did you gain this statistic? Because I can clearly say, with every fiber of my being, that “God” doesn’t exist. Nor do I want him to.
If he did, then I would refuse to be accepted by him. If he’s going to decide who is “good enough” then I don’t want to be acceptable in his eyes.
My mother has done nothing but good in this society, and provided a roof over my head. She constantly puts other before herself and would put herself in harms way to save a total stranger. Just because she is homosexual she will go to hell.
I will gladly follow after her.

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64 Lacey Steele March 1, 2012 at 10:33 am

NO one truly believes in god either. NO one is a true christian. i don’t care what you think because that’s true. no one is truly a christian.

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65 Andrew Tench March 31, 2011 at 10:37 pm

Haha youre not a true christian, because the bible says more than just that, and it also says that one should not judge for that is like taking on the role of god, and by the way the USA was built on a basis of freedom of religion and many atheist and interacial couples get married…

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66 eva April 1, 2011 at 9:22 pm

Do you know there are parts in the bible that before it has been translated time and time again that mention nothing on same sex marriage. Not to mention so many scholars, prophets, and other followers of christ were gay? God created the first lesbian and she is still found through translations although her name has been altered multuple times and “lost in translation” due to people re writing what they want to write in the bible… How about the fact that NEVER ONCE does GOD say himself or Jesus Christ that they frown upon it, read the red words if you still have a bible old enough… just saying…

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67 wanda April 23, 2011 at 10:33 am

the bible does not agree with gays, homosexuals. God himself destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for that very reason. God didnt make a homosexual but He does give free choice but you personally suffer your own consequence. Jesus will take you as you are homosexual, murder, lair, etc AS LONG AS you come to him with an open heart to allow Him to change you to what He wants you to be. re-read Genesis.

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68 Kiaya May 3, 2011 at 11:25 am

How about the fact that its kind of a new day and age. When is the last time you saw a city be destroyed COMPLETELY because of the kind of people that live there? Quoting the bible for something that is happening in America right now, makes NO sense. You can apply all kinds of scriptures to your own personal life, but to push them on someone else, isn’t going to “fix” how they live their life. What business is it to people any way? Acting as if, gay couples becomes married, they’re going to dance around your home naked. Its a PERSONAL choice to love whoever you want, and if you were denied the right to do so, I bet you’d fight just as hard to make it happen as so many other people are in America. Just saying.

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69 Believer September 4, 2011 at 6:55 pm

I’m gay, and I do believe the word of God. But I do believe that we as Americans are going fast down the slope as a nation. Just look around what’s happening, and read what the word of God says? We are and the end of everything.

70 mary October 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm

if we allow gay marriages eventually the human race will become extinct

71 Aayana May 3, 2011 at 6:32 pm

I do belive in god..but i do not have a religon..and i honsetly think that if all homosexual’s go to hell then why would God create them? and i srongly think that if someone is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, transexual,or even pansexual then why is it everyone else’s buisness…if your and open gay or one of the above i get it but why does the whole world/the state you live in get to decide what’s right and wrong for everyone? and who gives them the right to decide who can and cannot get married? this is america…right? the land of the free? then why do they push out the slightest bit of change? mexicans, asain-americans, african americans..etc? why not call it the land of the “ehhh well see” ? no matter what… dont ya think everyone no matter what they are should be aloud to get married? isnt that what everyon dreams of when there little or at least in some part of their life…and does it really have an effect on anyone else other than th two person invloved in the marriage and their families? i honestly dout that if some same sex couple in main wanted to get married the cut little chinese family across from my house wouldntcare(and yeah they are strong christans with a gay son) put that in your juice box and suck it :)

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72 Mandy May 5, 2011 at 4:25 pm

I love this. Nothing else more to say other then i love the “why not call it the land of the “ehhh well see” ?” part

73 Christine June 14, 2011 at 2:21 pm

I love that you mentioned pansexual. That’s me! :)

74 mary October 29, 2011 at 3:51 pm

God didnt create homosexuals, he created man and woman.

75 i should rule the world May 15, 2011 at 7:43 pm

THE BIBLE may or may not condone homosexuality, but that has nothing to do with Civil Rights that are afforded by our SECULAR government. Any Rights that are given or with held should be done so based entirely on unbiased, rational thought. (JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER RIGHTS THAT WE ENJOY COURTESY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT) NOT Tradition, NOT religion. When your mind is not clouded by religious ideologies and preconceived notions of how things OUGHT to be, you realize that everyone is the same, and everyone has the right to pursue happiness in the us. We as a society are not ALLOWED to be prejudiced based on sex because it isn’t RIGHT. Prejudicing based on sexual preference isn’t right either.

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76 Shelbie November 30, 2011 at 8:13 pm

The reason everyone is so confused on this issue is because they do not get their guidance from the HOly Word of GOd. The BIble is the inspired book of GOd and is to be used by every Christ follower. Those that understand the Holy BIble and live by what it says understand that IN the beginning (Genesis 2) God created man and woman….”For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and the two shall become one flesh” (v. 24-25) Any other relationship besides that of a man and woman cannot procreate the way GOd intended. God could have created two men or two females to act in those ways, but he didnt! the Truth is everyone on earth was born a sinner, being gay is a sin, lying, cheating, etc. is a sin…it is all the same in Gods eyes. However everyone has a choice to give into their sin…sadly most people choose to give in. God gave us a way out through his son JEsus CHrist who takes away the sins of the world (no matter anyone has done) and wipes them clean! All one must do is recognize his sin and ask for forgiveness.

77 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm

Well something doesn’t fit in your nice little view… If there is in fact a supreme God who can destroy full cities for doing things He/She does not like, shouldn’t He/She have the power to decide if homosexuals exist or not?

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78 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:37 am

God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah not because the people there were practicing homosexuality, but because they were RAPING people. Look it up. The bible does not say that he killed them because they were “gay”, but because they practiced what has come to be known as sodomy, raping people to death. There is no Hebrew word for homosexual, which causes me to believe they really didn’t care about it as much as we think they did; otherwise they would have given it a name.

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79 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 12:22 pm

IM sorry to dissapoint but there was homosexuality going on…Two angles appeared to LOt and men from Sodom wanted to have sexual relations with them. LOt even offered his two VIRGin daughters to them and they said no. ( GEnesis 19)- you should read it!

80 Alan December 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Shelbie, sorrow to disappoint YOU, but you are quite wrong in your absolute, unquestioning assumption that the passage in Genesis has anything to do with homosexuality. I have suggested twice, in comments exchanged directly between the two of us, that you go back and read my comments on Sodom and Gomorrah. Since you seem unwilling to do that, I will bring them here for you, cut and pasted from a response I made to another person’s comments:

An examination of the historical, cultural, and language context it can very easily be shown that this passage has nothing to do with homosexuality. If you look at the chapters preceding this passage, you will see that Sodom and Gomorrah, along with 2 other cities, were in a war against another group of 5 cities. During that war Lot, Abraham’s nephew, who was living in Sodom, was taken captive by Sodom’s enemies. Abraham sent 300 of his him and helped Sodom defeat their enemies, while rescuing his nephew. Thus they are just licking their wounds from a war when they learn that there are two strangers in Lot’s house. They’re suspicious enough of Lot, referring to him as a foreigner, and likely wonder what kind of deal he might have made with their enemies while he was held by them. They do not know that the two strangers in Lot’s house are angels from God and, suspecting they might be spies, they demand “Bring them out to us so that we may know them.” The word “know” in this case refers to wanting to interrogate them and find out who they are, not in the carnal sense of having sex with them. There is much more that can be said, about how the Hebrew word “yada” (to know) is and isn’t used in the Bible, what is and isn’t said in reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in later references to those cities and their sins (with none of those references alluding to homosexuality), what the “sin of Sodom” probably really was, and how the phrase “bring them out so that we may know them” became the basis for using the Bible against homosexuality, but I will leave it here.

81 A. Wize July 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm

That just goes to show that you have not read the Bible…people that know nothing about God and Jesus kill me…they think they know the most about spirituality and what being a Christian is about and what the Bible says.

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82 Ashley July 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm

That just goes to show that you know nothing of the Bible. Please do your research before trying to lecture someone else on their knowledge.

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83 Ashley July 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm

there is no point in arguing religion, spirituality, or Jesus for it goes against what the Bible says…those who repent not will find out at the time of their death whether they have lived the life God says for us to live.

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84 ally November 12, 2011 at 11:45 am

Actually the new translation actually says it nicer…. in the first ones homosexuals are called DOGS! You should really do background on something b4 you talk… n its out of love that we “heterosexuals” speak out agaisnt homosexuality. God gave everyone a conscience. So when ever you feel a little awkard about what you are doing. Maybe you shouldn’t do it. God did not make a gay person k… He wouldn’t contradict his own word! He didnt make adam and steve or gabby and eve…How in the world would we have kids if thats how it went.. He designed a penis to fit a vagina… that is the natural way and thats why a man and a women can have kids!

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85 Alan November 22, 2011 at 2:19 am

Any translation that makes any reference to homosexuals in any way is not a good, direct translation of the original Hebrew or Greek. The only way any translation can use the word homosexual is by an obvious bias of the translator to do so. I must really question the whole idea of heterosexuals speaking out against homosexuality “out of love” — to accuse someone of sin without any basis for it is not my definition of love — and there is no basis for it, if you are basing the definition of sin on what is found in the Bible — there is no scripture that irrefutably establishes that homosexuality is a sin. And, by the way, the “Adam and Steve / Gabby and Eve” comments may seem like a cute little joke, but it is strictly bigotry against the gay population hiding in the guise of a joke. We’re talking about marriage here, not procreation. As I’ve pointed out to another commenter: laws regarding marriage do not make any requirement that a couple be able to procreate — if they did, there are couples in which one or the other is sterile, or who are too old to produce children, who also would not be allowed to marry. In sum: none of your arguments hold water, and there is a sense of insulting condescension within them that is quite distasteful.

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86 Haley March 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm

How does anyone honestly know what God did or did not do? Because a little book that has supposedly been around for years upon years and has been translated so many times it probably says nothing like it used to says something is wrong. Well sorry but wake up and open your eyes, the world changes and is still changing. Not everyone believes in God so why should being married be based on that. What if someone wanted to take your rights away, you wouldn’t want that now would you, so why would you take someone elses away from them? Also if we are going by what the bible says, how can you follow one part of the bible but not the whole thing? and I know for a fact that you don’t follow the entire bible because no one does. They pick and choose which parts they want to follow. So if you can’t live your life to the exact words then don’t preach about how god made adam and eve not adam and steve. Because it is just bullshit.

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87 Laci April 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm

Here’s my question to you. How will yopu go to heaven if you judge others? I am not one to quote the bible but I do know enough to know that God is only one that should be judging. You clearly are religious so you should know that. Also how does it affect you??? Does it change your everyday bible thumping?? If anything you can dive further into your bible and continue being a hypacrite. By the way I am straight and I think you are sorry for judging the way you do!!

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88 wanda April 23, 2011 at 10:43 am

you yourself just judged when you called them sorry. people think because you disagree with somebody that you are passing judgment. however if what a person says lines up God’s instructions, Bible, then thats ok. If a person is wrong God will convict them they will know. However the Bible says love what i love hate what i hate. either you are with me or against me. so i wouldnt agree with anyones wrong doing ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD. thats not judgment but passing along God’s word, as long as a person doesnt add THIER OPINION then they should be ok in GOds eyes

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89 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Nuh uh, you are certainly passing judgement by saying you believe “God’s” dislike of homosexuals. You’re using this “opinion” to commit prejudice against gay people and claiming it is acceptable because it’s not your own idea, well that is no different than the Germans blindly accepting and spreading Hitler’s prejudice against the Jews.

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90 ally November 12, 2011 at 11:52 am

god does not hate the homosexual he hates the sin! Even though he loves us his word is always b4 him… in the bible it says that my word cannot come back to me void it has to do what it set out to do! that means that he cant throw out his word just becuz he loves us! If it were so we all would be in heaven because a liar is just as bad as homosexual.or so on!

91 Alan November 22, 2011 at 2:44 am

Ally, here you are again, declaring that homosexuality is a sin — but there is no passage in the Bible that irrefutably declares homosexuality to be a sin.

92 Ashley July 10, 2011 at 7:54 pm

Judging a sin and telling someone that they are committing sin is not the same as judging that person. IT IS a sin to be a gay; just as it is a sin to be a whore, whoremonger, thief, and murderer. i know many gay people and they ALL know that their homosexuality is a sin…and it doesn’t change from being a sin even if the most known pastor was doing it. NO one is judging anyone, just because you say that you have three children with three different guys and someone says that fornication is a sin doesn’t mean that they are judging you or calling you a whore. They are only letting you know what sin you are committing and trying to lead you to God, if you choose not to listen then so be it, but they have tried to save you from burning in hell.

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93 krista July 13, 2011 at 2:12 am

telling someone that they are commiting a sin is not judging them it is simply stating a fact homosexuality is a sin I personally have nothing against gay people but i do frown upon their lifestyles. many people try to find so many excuses to make something that wrong right when at the end of the day wrong is wrong and right is right, God created people to have free will its up to them to do the right thing and at the end face the consequences be that its cause they did the right thing or cause they did the wrong thing. there is no way to justify homosexuality it’s just wrong and people who try to justify it are stupid God created a man to be with a woman and vice versa so that they can be fruitful and multiply something homosexuals cannot do. those of you who are trying to make the argumrnt that its ok should take a long hard look at the bible. and for those of you that don’t believe in God people perish for the lack of knowledge what you don’t know can very well hurt you and not knowing God will send you straight to hell open your eyes people God exist.

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94 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:42 pm

Do you personally have any proof that God exists, enough to condemn your fellow men to “burning in Hell”? Instead of taking a long hard look at the Bible, maybe you should take a long hard look at some philosophy papers that suggest there is no way God can exist if so many things in the world supposedly go against His will. You can have your beliefs but open your mind to something other than your own opinion.

Also, for someone saying it’s not judging if you’re going by “God’s” word, I certainly don’t see the words “people who argue against homosexuality are stupid” in the Bible anywhere.

95 Scott Sanderford April 10, 2011 at 6:27 pm

Hey Nathan,
Do you own any slaves, shave, eat shellfish…? Got news for you, Pal. You have committed many abominations! Read ALL of your freakin’ Bible; not just the parts that serve your political aganda. You won’t even get close to the Pearly Gates to smell St. Peter ass you bigot!

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96 Shay April 15, 2011 at 3:33 pm

AMEN haha

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97 Ashley May 4, 2011 at 2:47 pm

Dam straight!

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98 jaiden March 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm

that’s cool but do yu like gay people

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99 Dasha May 11, 2011 at 11:13 am

ok that was smart of you just because he uses the bible to support his believe against one issue dosnt mean that he thinks that he is perfect. every one who has read the bible knows that they are a sinner and that they will go to hell if they dont repent, that is why it is called faith, you have faith that God will forgive you. so next time you want to bash some one who stands up for their believe think of your own pathetic afterlife.

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100 Christine June 14, 2011 at 2:22 pm

If this was Facebook, I would ‘like’ that :)

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101 ally November 12, 2011 at 11:57 am

God bless everyone of you! I love you all….n i pray that god has mercy on you guys! Hope you realize b4 its to late! i will continuously have you all in my prayers! All i wish is good things in your life!

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102 Adriana April 10, 2011 at 6:58 pm

but the bible atlso says to love thy neighbor as theyself.

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103 alix moyer April 11, 2011 at 3:29 pm

im taking this as the newer version of the bible! okay, so what you are trying to say is that tiger woods is going to hell because he cheated even if he asks for forgiveness, those who take communion (wine) are doing to hell because they consume alcohol once a month. those who look up to another individual that is not God is going to hell even though they still believe. those who have taken a pencil from the floor are going to hell because said pencil was not theirs therefore they are considered a thief. have you not read matthew 21:22 King James Bible
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

so i conclude the fact that the lord loves ALL. he forgives those who ask for forgivness. treat your neighbor as yourself. those around you are fighting sins everyday. as long as they believe in the Lord, the Lord believes in them!!

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104 krista July 13, 2011 at 2:18 am

a couple of thing you dont actually drink wine when you take communion it’s actually juice,and drinking wine it’s not a sin ” in every thing you do do it in moderation” in other words to much of anything is a sin , drinking alcohol is not a sin it’s drinking it too much that makes it a sin.

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105 ally November 12, 2011 at 12:01 pm

God can change anyone… Why is it that when someone kills someone he is called a murderer and is going to hell… Why cnt a homosexual also go to hell its the same sin…But you know what god is always able and just to forgive the liar the thief the murder and homosexual! Thats how you can go to heaven by admitting your wrong and accepting jesus in your life as your lord and savior… n yes you may mess up becuz no1 is perfect but jus get up and start all over again…becuz the god i serve is the most mercilful god i know! GOD BLESS SELAH!

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106 Alan November 22, 2011 at 2:54 am

Ally, here you are again, declaring that homosexuality is a sin even though there is no passage in the Bible that irrefutably declares homosexuality to be a sin. Someone who is homosexual is not in need of mercy just for being homosexual. And you say that “the god i serve is the most mercilful god i know!” — do you know more than one god? Maybe that’s your problem!

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107 SirenKing March 31, 2013 at 5:42 pm

A person in not necessarily in need of mercy for simply being homosexual, but acting on those urges is another matter. God gave us challenges.

But otherwise, Alan does have a point. Ally, God’s commandments were all given because they contained wisdom. If he told us something, then he told us for a reason. I agree that homosexual behavior is wrong, but you need you need to provide reasons WHY.

108 Mandy April 12, 2011 at 8:05 am

its funny when ppl say that because the bible also states that we r all gods children; idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners. ur religion is full of hypocrites.

Have a nice day :D

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109 SirenKing March 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Mandy, can you show me anywhere in the entire Bible that says that God’s Children are all perfect?

Did God every tell us that the sky is blue or that the sun is orange? He didn’t have to. If he didn’t have to worry about his children being idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers or extortioners, then he wouldn’t have made commandments condemning those activities.

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110 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:26 am

what r u talking about it have nothing to do with the bible this is earth not heaven r hell dome ass let people have right do what god give them like freedom

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111 Silver April 14, 2011 at 8:55 am

Did you know that the Bible also used to tell us we couldn’t touch a pigs skin? No more football for America.. What a shame. Maybe you shouldn’t use the Old Testament for your arguments. You need to save face dontcha? Get some new material. This is old.

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112 Tionna April 15, 2011 at 8:01 am

AND TO THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM YOU ASSS….. NATHAN YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE AND ITS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING TO THINK PEOPLE OUT THERE SHARE YOU DISGUST FOR GAYS… gays are people too born with a head,2 eye, ears, a nose, mouth, arms legs….. why should they be forced to live the way the govtment sees as morally correct? love is love wether is same sex or not it holds the same meaning…

GAY MARRIAGE NEED TO BE LEGALIZED IN ALLL STATES…

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113 Shay April 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm

I for one am straight and a christian. I support same sex marriages, civil unions and gay couples full heartedly! Same sex relationships are also mentioned in leviticus as well. Yes in the old testiment it was stated that being “gay” was wrong, but that was old testiment! If you were a true christian you would know that everybody was born with sin, everybody sins, thats why Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we may be forgiven! I know you sin… As long as you believe in Jesus Christ and accept him into your heart then your sins will be washed away by the blood that he gave for us. Same sex couples have the right to love whomever they want and they should have the same rights that we do. Who cares who they are with if they are commited to eachother than that is all that counts!

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114 Suzie May 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm

Agreed! :D

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115 John Hale May 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm

you say they should love whomever they want but yet their ‘love’ is sinful. Its like me watching porn and not stopping even if my parents told me to; and i promised not to54
God is the same way. He is not a metaphor or phrase that sounds nice on a piece of paper. But an actual being of love and if he says its not right. Its not going to be ever right. Do you call Christ a liar?

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116 Ashley July 10, 2011 at 8:10 pm

Evryone was born in sin and shaped in iniquity, which is why we MUST be BORN AGAIN!!! God says love what I love and hate what I hate…that’s the sign of a true Christian, you can not mold the Bible or Christianity to your fickle thoughts and beliefs.

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117 ryan April 20, 2011 at 8:14 am

who cares? people are happy and not everybody wants something to do with your “god” i know i don’t. i’d rather be happy and not have to deal with “god”

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118 Anna April 24, 2011 at 12:27 pm

What if I’m Jewish?

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119 kelley November 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm

haha good question, or if your muslim?

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120 Sanja April 27, 2011 at 12:44 am

Ancient Romans actually preferred men to be homosexuals and be intimate with each other rather than sleep with a virgin. It used to be natural to see two men together but now it’s a “sin”. And that was before the Bible. Seems to me that the Christians didn’t like the idea of two men being together so they decided to toss it into the Bible and make it a sin.

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121 Haley April 29, 2011 at 2:58 pm

If going to hell means being with the one you love the most in the world, then let it be! Gay Power!

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122 Jonie May 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Some people need to realize happiness is more important then someone else’s ideas of life, love is love and thats all there is to it, its not someone else’s choice or “gods” choice on who you wanna be with for the rest of your life. Everyone and everyman should be treated equally and that has been on paper all the way from day 1!

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123 Toni May 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm

Then the majority of the world will not inherit the Kingdom of God. No one is perfect!

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124 danny May 13, 2011 at 7:59 am

being gay is not a sin. acting on your homosexual urges is a sin. you will find a big difference in the bible if you translate it correctly and understand the culture that it was created in.

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125 danny May 13, 2011 at 8:05 am

also it is our choice to make that decision. and if what you said is true, then whats the point of banning gay marriage. if they’re going to hell, they’re going wether or not they’re married. i think it is a little egocentric to think allowing gay marraige gives you the power to send you to hell.

why even bring this up. everybody knows. those who care, care. those who don’t, don’t.

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126 Sara Martinez May 13, 2011 at 2:32 pm

The bible says huh…. hmmm well what if those people are NOT religious? You cant simply say “because the bible says” because then you are imposing your beliefs among others. The bible does not have the ultimate say in this country the people do. In your religion it might be a sin to be a homo sexual but you are not taking into account the lifestye of others. Government and the people should have the final say because when it comes down to it the actions of people and government depend on how a person can live their life. There is no legal reason why they should not marry. At one point people said blacks and whites cant marry along with hispanics and whites. So basiclly the same thing is happening over and over. This is a matter of giving people their rights not judging weather they go to the kingdom of God or not.So basically your argument is flawed

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127 krista July 13, 2011 at 2:23 am

omg God created the heavens and the earth so just because people have different religions don’t mean that they are exempt from Gods punishments or consequences it’s not a belief its the truth i feel so sorry for those people who dont know God people truley perish fom a lack of knowledge so sad because in hell will you lift up your eyes.

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128 nicole May 16, 2011 at 10:38 pm

really your gonna go off what the bible says!!! HA! you know how many decades the bible has gone through?? how many times its been re written?? or do you know that people lie…..all the stuff in the bible is unrealistic it makes no sense at all. were all here not because of this thing called god no its science i mean think about it…when somethingis wrong with our bodies who do we go to to fix it? god?? NO we go to the doctors and where do they get this information to fix this??? SCIENCE not a myth in a book

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129 The Truth May 17, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Well, my friend, I agree with you in terms of the bible stating that same sex relations results in one of those two being plucked from the bed. But if everything in society was reflected and fostered by the scriptures…(1) women would be still subserviants to the male-chauvinsitic structure of order (2) Black individuals would be percieved and exemplified by “The Curse of Ham (3) Church would be the foremost authority within our social institution[s]. If, however, there is any relevance to the word-being that the abundant usage of figurative language instills any [joe] to interpret the vocabulary,reflected by the readers self assement of metaphors as truth, then what are we to believe as [the truth]. Being of a dogmata of social constraint, which is, and has been applicable in the prolongment of a civilization’s existence (social longevity)? Or maybe that we, in general are afraid of the uknown, being the realm in which old saint pete tells you to stand in line-waiting for your number to be called! I have an uncle that may as well be you, writing your thesis of ‘this is a sin’, and as he may try to introduce himself as a pius man, he states his weaknesses. Maybe it is time, in which we state our weakness(s), being of what an eye can do to an individual-in the form of notions proclaiming the evidentiary of intolerance. Who has the authority, status, to state what is right, morally, if you are fostering a superious mentality in which hate evolves as a desire? If hate is a too strong of a word, how about oppression through exile of individuals based on the thought of them not being you!

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130 zoe mcguire May 20, 2011 at 9:36 am

in the bible it also say that sins are forgiven and that everyone can be forgiven. Ellen DeGeneres is one of the nicest people in the world. She does things to help those in need dont you think god will look at all the things shes done and think differently about her(in a goos way). there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. how does someone being gay affect your life? you need to think about the different views of it and not just because the bible says so, the bible doesnt have andything about being a lesbian so is it ok for girls to be that way but not guys? think about it then you can write something about it on a website like this!!!!!

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131 zoe mcguire May 20, 2011 at 9:37 am

*(in a good way)

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132 krista July 13, 2011 at 2:25 am

the devil comes in disguises just because someone is nice doesnt mean that they wont go to hell

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133 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:45 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ah, yes. I forgot, let us all judge people not by their actions, but for a characteristic that they have.

It is segregation under a different name when we do not allow same sex marriage.

And if hell were to exist, a nice person probably wouldn’t go there after death.

I want to know how you think it is justifiable for a person to suffer all eternity for the small amount of sins that they can commit in 80 or so years. God doesn’t hate people and is just, so eternal pain doesn’t fit into the equation at all.

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134 SirenKing March 31, 2013 at 6:17 pm

I think it’s ridiculous to say that you will go to hell if you are gay. It’s also absurd to say that nice people go to hell. However, that isn’t what Krista said.

I agree that an eternity spent in pain doesn’t fit. If we are truly God’s children, then would he really send every sinner to burn forever? Heaven would be an empty place indeed.

However, you seem to be of the opinion that God has to either love of hate us and that Krista is claiming all homosexuals will be hated by God. This is not even close to the case.

I don’t know if you have kids, but here’s something important to recognize about being an adult. When your child does something wrong, you don’t stop loving them and you don’t put them through Hell. You do, however, feel sad. You may also try to show them the right way to go, if you are a good parent.

But, most importantly, you tell a child not to cross the street without supervision because you recognize that there could be dire consequences. God gave up specific commandments because he knew that certain things were wrong. He didn’t simply say “this is wrong because I say it is.” He said “this is wrong because there are consequences that you can’t yet see.”

Hell may not actually be fire and brimstone. It may simply be that we miss out. He may want us to marry someone of the opposite gender because it may be necessary in the afterlife.

135 avp May 20, 2011 at 10:35 am

if it is true that that quote is in the bible, then i’m sure everyone will go to hell cuz we have all made mistakes

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136 Sam May 21, 2011 at 6:36 pm

No one here has heard god… No one has seen god… No one has smelt god… No one has felt god… And NO ONE knows if he TRULY exists… The Bible is just a huge book full of OPINIONS! There are NO actualities, no realities, just a bunch of dogmatic fallacies. I understand this is not an argument over existence but a dispute over whether PEOPLE, gay or not they are HUMAN, or do you (Nathan and ALL other opposition) disagree with this statement; homosexuals are homosapien, people and HUMAN. I realize that statement is repetitive but redundancy helps further my point. I am 110% heterosexual; I’ve had a girlfriend for well over 2 years but I have one more question. What causes the controversy on this “pernicious” act of unity? (pernicious is in quotes because some believe Gay Marriage is harmful and some do not)

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137 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:48 pm

LIKE!

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138 ally November 12, 2011 at 12:09 pm

DNT BLASPHEME GRL! IF YOU DNT KNO SHUT UP!

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139 SirenKing March 31, 2013 at 6:30 pm

I want to respond to the first half of your post first. Sure, I’ve never seen God and I’ve never heard him directly. I’m sure you know that I’m going to say “Belief in God is faith-based.” However, ‘faith’ is not blind. It does require proof.

Faith is action-based. Wise people say ‘I don’t think that this is true, because it’s kind of ridiculous. However, there are a lot of people who believe in this, so there must be a reason. I’m humble enough to find out if it’s true.” Faith requires us to test to see if God is there. He gives us guidelines for doing this. This system would be flawed if God decided to prove that he were there, if if he allowed us to prove it.

As for your question, it is considered ‘pernicious’ because people recognize that it has consequences. Some people can list many of these consequences and others take it on faith that it is simply not approved by God. The recognize that God gives us guidelines in order to protect us, and we worry what will happen to this once God-founded nation.

No one is saying “We want a law that says you can’t love someone of the same gender.” Well, at least, no one with any common sense. There are, however, people who do not wish to support this behavior simply because they don’t want the government and public schools to establish it as normal and natural.

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140 Jessie May 24, 2011 at 1:12 am

really? Your posting that? Here? I believe in God and that amazing person but I feel that the bible which was written THOUSANDS of years ago IN A DIFFERENT TIME!!!! is more of aguide book. Like what our parents do, we can chose to listen to them and let them guide us on the right path in our lives. Thats what the bible is.

The translation has changed, so unless you can read Latin and have the original bible then I’m sorry, but I believe a God who loves us all no matter what, would be fine with same sex couples. Sure it may be a bit awkward for some, but get over it. In Gods eyes we are all brothers and sisters so does that make getting married and having sex with a man incest? No. Because we are human and we feel these wonderful human emotions, we feel love for people. Some more than others. I think God is all for a wonderful loveing monogomous reltionship be it straight or gay. God loves us period. We commit sins everyday. I also do not find it fair of you to force your opinion on these nice folks here at this site. It seems to me you came looking for this just to say that.

Growing up my mom has taught me many things, one being that Sex is connectionless, making love and sharing your bodies for tenderness and love is different. Making love is beautiful, sex is a quick roll around in the hay.

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141 Jennie May 26, 2011 at 6:15 pm

Nathan, your so wrong. sorry, but love is tender and knows no gender.! okay. If people don’t like same sex couples. Than don’t freaking look at them. Okay.! I mean really people have no right to tell other people who to love. Denying a same sex couple marriage is discrimination. So grow up, deal. The world is changing. Hopefully in 10 or 20 years every state will have legalized same sex marriage.

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142 Shaylei June 10, 2011 at 8:48 am

Where does it say being gay is wrong?! copy and paste that verse down…. then we’ll talk!

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143 ally November 12, 2011 at 12:18 pm

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

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144 Alan November 22, 2011 at 2:36 am

Ally, have you bothered to scan through any of the rest of this forum before making your comments? If you do, you will see that I have already responded to both of these passages, in great detail. The original Hebrew is not totally clear — words have to be added for these passages to make sense in English and the choice of which words to add can determine what the law is really about. Given that a legitimate translation does not make it a direct admonition against homosexuality, it must be set aside as such. Also, if you examine both the wording and the context within Leviticus, it is much more likely that it is an admonition against participation in pagan (Canaanite, most likely, in the worship of Baal) rituals, which did involve male with male sex — that is not the same as an admonition against homosexuality. Besides all of that, I am sure there are some of the 600 plus laws in the Old Testament that you are currently ignoring so, no matter what this law is about, it deserves no more attention in the 21st century than any of the others.

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145 Anthony Asplund November 23, 2011 at 3:04 pm

So, because most biblical laws are being ignored, then they are naught? Great logic man.

146 Alan November 23, 2011 at 4:55 pm

Anthony — If by “naught” you mean “non-existent” then, no, that is not correct. I am saying that they are not applicable, any more than British traffic laws are applicable here. Do you drive on the left side of the road because that is the law in Britain? Then why would you consider it necessary to obey laws that were written for the Hebrews, unless you are Hebrew, of course? And many of those 600 plus laws were written specifically for the Hebrew priesthood and are intended to be applicable only to them. The logic is that: most people in 21st America fully understand that the laws in Leviticus are not applicable to them and therefore should not be considered as the basis for determining either their own personal behavior or, certainly and above all, American law. Being a Christian, I follow the “biblical laws” as defined by Christ, who told us that the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord, God with all your heart, soul, and mind and that a second is like it, to love your neighbor as yourself, telling us further, “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Nothing within that, or anything in the Bible for that matter, tells me that homosexuality is wrong, and nothing in the Bible tells me it is wrong.

147 DK June 10, 2011 at 10:15 am

From what I have learned about God through 3 years of Bible Study in H.S. is that God wants each of us to choose our own path. If God is willing to give us choice, who are we, as humans, to think we should be restricting anyone’s choice? If two people, even same sex, want to marry, that is their choice and no one has the right to stand in the way.

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148 ka June 13, 2011 at 3:25 pm

everyone uses that is that all you guys have. I do believe in the bible and thats an argument that I deal with everyday.

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149 Raven June 25, 2011 at 3:51 pm

Nathan…. Grow up! That story book is soooo 5 minutes ago. No one cares what a bunch of ignorant people wrote to keep the world under one religion. If you knew anything, you would know that PAGAN was the first religion. Dumbass… Anyone and everyone that believes in that story book, needs to do some checks on it. Look it up in history. Even a history professor will tell you. God you breeders are so Ignorant! GROW UP AND READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK!
By the way… It has also been proven that “Hetero’s” that object to Homosexuals getting married or even being together , is because they have a gy gay lil secret… Tee Hee Hee and do not post to my reply UNTIL you have looked up in the history books for the fact that i have in front of me.

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150 krista July 13, 2011 at 2:28 am

hmm history books or bible which was written before history books existed hmmm i’ll take the bible for 300 hundred alex i feel sorry for you sweety i will pray for you God bless your soul

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151 Shane July 12, 2011 at 1:19 am

That is not entirely true, the scripture continues to state the That Jesus Christ saves us from punishment, therefore we jsut have to confess that we are sinners, and try our best to Remain in love and connection with Jesus! this is from the viewpoint of revelation… HOWEVER i do support the rights of the individual, and being able to marry whome you want is within those rights, however i think that not all “marital rights” should be given to LGBT’s as they are to heterosexual marriages, i think that they need to have restrictions, for instance inorder to sucessfully raise a family, we must understand that historically there has always been a mother and father, and that is what a healthy relationship ussually maintains, so in this case, who will be the mother and who the father, restrictions should be legislated something like this…. there should be a male, and female influence, and there should be consistant caseworker visits to document the new gay marraige, and so that it can be watched and monitored until society has a level head about how to raise children in a gay setting.

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152 Matthew Temple August 8, 2011 at 12:53 pm

“Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God”
Good point Nathan.. The only problem I have is that all of the above can get married except homosexuals. We want the same rights as other sinners.. WOW it sure is a good thing the “Self Righteous” didn’t make the list.. or you would be on it!!

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153 ally November 12, 2011 at 12:26 pm

u contradict urself…wat is homosexuality same sex lovers…therfore if it is considered a sin there is no way the same sex can b married!

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154 Ryan October 1, 2011 at 1:09 am

The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner
The bible is not a code to live by, its a interprintation of the past. The bible shows how the live

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155 Colette October 24, 2011 at 12:45 pm

Well, I am a homosexual and a drunkard…AND I don’t believe in YOUR God! So the place I am going, isn’t hell (I wouldn’t want to burn in the same fire as you) but it is a place of love, equality, acceptance and free. Kick rocks, a**hole.

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156 Steph November 16, 2011 at 5:06 pm

Maybe people support gay marriage because they are not bible drinking idiot like you and don’t put undying faith behind stories that were written thousands of years ago. Also not everyone is catholic to believe the bible. And there are plenty of other religions that don’t condemn gays like the Catholic church does. So do not press your religion upon others, for I know that the gay community has not pushed their’s onto you. How would you feel if one day you woke up and you had lost your civil right to marry and then had to fight to be allowed to regain it. That is what it is like everyday for a homosexual. Put yourself into their shoes before you shove your godloving preaching down their throats. Who is to say that they believe in your heaven anyway?

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157 Aleisha Larkin December 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm

well u are wrong and you are going to hell for saying something that stupid it is just right to have a relationship to be in a union woman and women man and man !!

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158 Lilli December 6, 2011 at 12:50 am

Nathan,
According to that Bible quote, there sure are a lot of people who will be going to hell. Fornicators? I’m sorry, if I have sex I’m going to hell? Adulterers — Cheating is certainly wrong, but there’s no way that absolutely everyone who is a cheater is going to hell. When I was in seventh grade I “cheated” on my boyfriend by kissing another boy, does that mean I’m going to hell? Thieves? Do you have any idea how many people steal? I work in retail and it is unbelievable how much people steal. Although they are doing something wrong, they are not going to go to hell for it. Basically, your argument isn’t very strong.

Homosexuality is not wrong. People are born gay, they can’t help it. It’s genetic. Everyone deserves the right to love and marry who they want to. Please stop using the Bible as an argument, it’s awfully outdated.

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159 lindsay balzano January 5, 2012 at 8:36 am

the bible is a big contadiction, these are probly some of the most ignorant statments ive ever seen. dumbbutt.

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160 Sara January 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm

I am a lesbian AND a believer. God loves everyone. God made me this way. I do NOT choose to be a lesbian. I was made like this. God created me perfectly and i am proud of who i am. When He created everyone, he made us GOOD and LOVED.

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161 Katy Keast February 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm

But even though it says that in the bible who says the bible is even real. In fact i know for a fact it was written by human hands. So who says it wasn’t just a homophobe who wrote that part of the bible? Besides God forgives all who ask for forgiveness. So there for everyone gets to go to heaven if its real. You homophobs just need to grow up and let people be married to whom they love. I was raised catholic by the way. so i know about the bible plenty. I was raised and confermed catholic. so don’t say i don’t know my stuff. cause i know for a fact thats what happened. Not to mention it may have been mistranslated when it was translated into english. Heck It could have said heterosexuals don’t go to heaven. Think about that one!

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162 Amber February 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm

the bible also said in Corin 14:34 “let your women keep in silence in churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law and if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in church” In the bible women are considered less then men yet we still talk in church also the bible says this in Levi 20:13 if their is a man who lives with a male as those who lie with a woman both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surly be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them yet god preaches about acceptance and forgiveness so why is he sentencing them to death. In other words your god douse not follow his own word. So it is NOT a sin to be gay.(I am not a christen I have my own religion and I am bi)

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163 hunter February 24, 2012 at 11:00 am

if god truly loves all mankind why would he make all whom are born into something go to eternal suffering? this truly makes no sense.

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164 Lacey Steele March 1, 2012 at 10:32 am

untrue. that is the opinion OF the corinthians. “god” if there is such is said to believe in forgiveness. and loves all “his” children. why do u care if they make that decison to go to “hell”? it’s their life. i’m proud of who i am. guess i’m going to hell because i’m bi and proud. (:

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165 Love Don't Hate :) March 12, 2012 at 6:40 am

So basically, no one is going to heaven? That really sucks. : (

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166 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:24 am

I thought Jesus died for everybody’s sins regardless of sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious beliefs, etc.? I was brought up in an Episcopalian School and went to a Catholic High School for 2 years and they preached that it was just fine to be gay or “different” and that Jesus and God love everyone regardless.
Plus, in the KJV (not the NKJV) it says “nor effeminate” which could mean any “un-manly” characteristic not necessarily meaning homosexuality (plus, effeminate is specifically for men, so are lesbians ok?)

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167 ThatBitch May 22, 2012 at 9:51 am

Well its their choice whether or not they go to heaven. actually no! let me rephrase that cuz you cant choose to be gay your born with it , it just finally comes out when your older. So.. Ha!

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168 Frank Pennington June 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm

my 14 year old son is gay and i’m all for it plus all that bible mumble jumble is juste nothing but bull shit and if he is going to hell then we’ll meat you there bitch

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169 BiProblemo? April 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm

Please don’t bring religious points of views into this. It’s all on how you think of it, not God. And if you worship God like he’s your life, then I don’t know what to say.

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170 Jeremy May 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm

So, I assume that every kid who stole a pack of gum is going to hell, too, right? I mean he is a thief. And every person who was jealous and wanted something someone else had is covetous, so they, too, would go to hell, right? If you are going to quote scripture, be prepared to at least back it up with some common sense.

The Bible also says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him should have eternal life.” John3:16

So if I believe in Christ and have a personal relationship with Him, but am also gay, then what?!?

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171 billy bob February 25, 2011 at 8:40 am

GAY MARRIAGE !!! is right

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172 Kathy March 1, 2011 at 11:11 am

I myself am gay. I’m a teenager finishing out highschool, and from my experiences the people seem quite open. They know that we respect their sexual oreintation so why shouldn’t they respect ours?

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173 lindsey March 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm

i dont understand how people can be so passionately hateful about something that will not affect their lives in anyway . i think people are born gay and they cant help how they feel about a person of the same sex. a man and a woman can marry at any given time , but a boy dog and a girl dog cannot get married ever .. so should we treat gays and lesbians as humans or as dogs ? just let them get married . true love cannot be denied , so why are we keeping people from their true happiness ? i could never forgive someone that treated me differently because i am trying to do my own thing , just be me , and be happy while doing it .

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174 celeste March 11, 2011 at 11:45 am

why is it anyone’s buisness who marries who, stay out of peoples buisnesss and let them live thier own lives. i agree with gay rights because nobody has the right to tell somwone who they should love.

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175 austen March 14, 2011 at 8:12 am

I mean I have gay parents and if their happy the way they are then let do it but don’t say they can’t get married they’ve been together for like 8 years its a human right to be aloud to marry and I’m pretty sure their human last time I saw them.

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176 Wolfgang March 15, 2011 at 11:16 pm

Homosexuality is a mental disorder that needs to be cured.

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177 Laci April 2, 2011 at 12:57 pm

SHAME ON YOU!!!!

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178 Sin_gin April 6, 2011 at 8:49 am

That is just stupid and pure ignorance

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179 Jordan April 6, 2011 at 11:37 am

YOUR IGNORANT .

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180 alice April 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm

I agree Jordan. That was the worst thing I have heard any one say in my life.

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181 Zoe April 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm

*you’re

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182 InuYasha-chan April 7, 2011 at 1:24 pm

thats stupid!!!! you don’t know how we feel!!!

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183 Mandy April 12, 2011 at 8:07 am

I think u have a mental disorder called ignorance

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184 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:30 am

u dont what the hell ur talking abou it the they there was born not a mental disorder it ur love not a mental

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185 Shay April 15, 2011 at 3:34 pm

your a mental retard for judging something you know nothing about maybe you should be cured

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186 Chas April 16, 2011 at 2:51 am

Trust me, if I could be “cured” of being gay, I would have already done so. Do you honestly think ALL of the gay people in the world wake up HAPPY about being despised by tons of bible-slingers (by the way, I’m a Christian that believes that God STILL loves me AND all of the gays)?

It would be lovely to just wake up and love a man the way I do my wife, so that I could live without being judged or hated… I would LOVE to be able to get married and naturally have children. I would LOVE to please my mother and the rest of my family. It would be awesome to be able to see my sisters, EVERYDAY… WITH the person I love. I didn’t choose to be gay, so that I would never be able to spend Christmas with my blood relatives, ever again.

I was born this way, just like YOU were born with a certain hair and eye color… Even if it is a mental disorder, that has nothing to do with being able to marry whoever we want. It doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with some bored people sitting around and deciding what’s right for anybody other than themselves.

Honestly, even if this did get resolved, their focus would land on something else. It’s like slavery all over again.

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187 Brittany April 17, 2011 at 9:38 am

The only people that have mental disorders are people like you that think that way!

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188 Julea April 20, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Homosexuality is deffliantly not a mental disorder. You fall in love with who you fall in love with.

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189 Anthony April 24, 2011 at 11:13 am

Clearly you are NOT up-to-date on your reading – The American Psychological Association REMOVED homosexuality from the list of mental disorders because IT ISN’T ONE! You’re an uneducated moron Wolfgang!

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190 Kadie April 27, 2011 at 9:16 am

That’s a horrible thing to say! Go to hell.

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191 Suzie May 2, 2011 at 1:22 pm

If you cant say anything nice then dont say anything at all!

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192 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:27 am

I agree :)

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193 Jack Hoffman May 11, 2011 at 8:33 am

You go Wolfgang!!!!1

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194 Dasha May 11, 2011 at 11:24 am

i totally think you are on to something i would not call it a mental disorder but i wont deny the fact that something is wrong because lets face it no mater how hard we argue for it or against it we have to look at the facts we are sexual beings and if the puzzle pieces dont fit then is that really sex and how can you call that normal.

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195 Sara Martinez May 13, 2011 at 2:33 pm

your ignorance is a mental disorder that needs to be cured

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196 The Truth May 17, 2011 at 9:17 pm

bravo freud, oh and by the way… easy on the candy jack!

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197 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:49 am

Your dog is probably gay. Good luck curing THAT mental disorder.

Freaking bigot. Without even meeting you I know exactly who you are. I used to be just like you, and what YOU are suffering from is a mental disorder. You are so self-assured that you are right, but you are living in a box. People with a hell of a lot more education than you have decided quite a long time ago that homosexuality is natural.

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198 Dani Baker December 13, 2011 at 2:34 pm

WOW. If you truely believe that then YOU’RE the one with the mental disorder and there’s no cure for stupididty or idiocracy.

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199 JaNae March 23, 2011 at 1:44 am

I know there will be people angry at this, but the Truth is Truth. Gay Marriage should NEVER be legal. period.

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200 Jordan April 6, 2011 at 11:39 am

& why is that? who are YOU to say who can & cant get married .

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201 InuYasha-chan April 7, 2011 at 1:26 pm

i agree that we should not be kept in the dark of our true selves any longer…

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202 Jose April 7, 2011 at 9:18 pm

you know that anti gay is a dying protest right, so you can do the smart thing and adapt or you can do the exageratedly stupid thing and keep hating gay people.

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203 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:32 am

y the hell not dum ass

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204 Shay April 15, 2011 at 3:38 pm

Hmmm let me predict your reasons… if the bible then see my response for Nathan.. we should all be treated equally, im straight and I agree with it… the declaration of indepence says that all men/women should be treated equally thats the thing that our country fought for the main writer is jefferson in case you didn’t know that because obviously your uneducated

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205 Brittany April 17, 2011 at 9:44 am

Well….I guess I will tell you then that the TRUTH is TRUTH, dirty low lifes like you that think you should have the right to choose who someone marries should NEVER be allowed to marry who you want either then! I think you should be forced to marry a girl.

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206 Julea April 20, 2011 at 12:35 pm

How is this truth? you dont know what is the truth about anything. you obviously have been kept in the dark about people being who they wanna be. im straight and i believe that all LGBT people should have the same rights as EVERYONE else in this god forsaken world. I LOVE ALL GAYS!!!!

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207 Nikki March 28, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Leave Gayys ALONE ! they dont hurt anyone. and if you have a problem with one , just LEAVE . if you can do their own thing so can you .

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208 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:33 am

speake the truth

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209 Chelsea March 28, 2011 at 11:10 pm

I think there is no reason why gays should not be able to be together! Even though it may say in the bible that you will go to hell and it is a sin, as long as you are happy and thats who you really are then there should be no problem with it. I guess what im trying to say is if you’re gay and people are telling you, you will go to hell and all this other stuff just ignore them. as long as you are alive live you life to the fullest and just let your relationship between you and your partner grow closer and closer for eachother everyday. Make your life worth living for and just love each other with all your heart. Have an amazing life with each other!

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210 tatiana March 29, 2011 at 7:24 am

GAY MARRIAGE NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL. PERIOD. ITS AGAINST GOD’S WILL

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211 alice March 31, 2011 at 8:18 pm

It’s also against “God’s will” to eat shell fish. And working on a Sunday. So shut the hell up, darling.
;D

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212 Vicky April 5, 2011 at 11:44 am

hahaha u have a point alice

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213 alice April 6, 2011 at 5:15 pm

Why thank you(:
By they way, I saw your comment about you and your girlfriend getting married! I’m happy for you! I’m bisexual and I can’t wait to get married to who ever I want.

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214 Mandy April 12, 2011 at 8:12 am

High five alice. thats the best thing ive heard so far lol. congrats vicky enjoyed married life :D

215 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:34 am

no it men will not gods if it was he would never made gays am I right

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216 Tionna April 15, 2011 at 7:55 am

isnt it also a sin to judge people…RIGHT?
it says love thy neighbor as thy self…

those who asks for forgiveness wether a thief or cheater, a gay or straight god grants then that forgiveness and god loves all and turns his back on no one

its a shame that you can be so ignorant and heartless…

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217 Sara Martinez May 13, 2011 at 2:35 pm

not everyone believes in the same God Dibshit!

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218 kaitlyn November 10, 2011 at 11:57 am

it shouldnt be iilegal they deserve happiness too and if you dont like it then shut the hell up!!!

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219 kat November 10, 2011 at 11:59 am

it shouldnt be illigal gay people have the right to be happy just as straight people do and if you dont like it then shut the hell up!!!

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220 Amber February 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm

it also is against gods will for women to speak in church also didn’t god say to accept everyone? and congrats Vicky you are truly inspiring and I was wondering what is your life like as a individual who is bi( I am bi but I want someone else’s view for a paper i’m doing on legalizing same-sex marriage)

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221 Stephanie March 29, 2011 at 2:29 pm

The Bible also says if your daughter doesn’t listen kill her. The bible uses words that have had their meaning change over time. I am not gay or bi, but I don’t see any reason for gays not to marry. I don’t see it affecting my life in any way other than I have more weddings to go to :)

And for those who call me a blasphemer, I’m catholic and went to catholic grade school, and am in catholic high school. I know what the bible says, but I also know that words change. And so should people’s minds.

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222 Katy Keast February 6, 2012 at 12:50 pm

You go girl :3 Thanks for being accepting and open minded <3

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223 alice March 31, 2011 at 8:22 pm

I’m working on a speech for gay marriage for school right now. God, homophobics annoy the hell outta me. No offense. XD

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224 Kaylee April 1, 2011 at 6:00 am

I have no problem with gay marriage! I am bi myself. And I saw some people post that it is a sin and blah blah blah. Do you people even go to church or read the bible? A sin is a sin to God. No matter how big or small. Lying is just as bad as a woman being with a woman or a man being with a man! And it also says in the bible that if you are saved and truely saved that you will go to heaven. So just because you are gay does no mean you are damned to hell. If that were true, then it would be the same for all 10 comandments and everyone would go to hell because everyone is a sinner!

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225 Vicky April 5, 2011 at 11:42 am

Yah i’m a lesbian and i say go gay marriage and the hell with anyone that thinks otherwise :D im getting married to my girlfriend no matter what!

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226 Jordan April 6, 2011 at 11:42 am

i don’t see how people can be so ignorant who are we to say who can & cant get married? you cannot help who you love. how does a gay cuple being married effect anyones life in anyway? I cnt stand ppl these days. get a life & quit worrying about others !

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227 Michael April 6, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Good for you vicky :D

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228 Tommy April 6, 2011 at 10:46 pm

Gay marriage needs legal. Everywhere. Nothing wrong with gay/bi/lesbian people. 80% of my friends are bi. And I have alot. There the best people to be with. I’m bi myself. God doesn’t exist so it’s stupid to hate gays because someone that isn’t real doesn’t like em. Their normal. I bet EVERYONE has a gay/bi/lesbian friend and doesn’t know it. Their no different then ya’ll. It’s like saying men and woman can’t marry. Their people. So what? Gays are people too. It’s right. Dicks are NOT just for chicks.

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229 Mandy April 12, 2011 at 8:14 am

I think i love u lol

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230 Joy April 7, 2011 at 7:42 am

I think gay marriages are disgusting, the world is going to hell.The same homosexual couples do not deserve that privilege of marriage

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231 Danielle April 10, 2011 at 9:58 pm

Honestly, why do you care so much? What have we done to you? My wife and I are both lawyers, we both grew up in Catholic households as well as attended Catholic schools. We both went to Ivy League Universities. We both work, shop, live, and love just as any straight person would. We have a daughter, just as any other family and whether she becomes homosexual or is straight, we will love her just the same. Do you have a child? If so, what were to happen if your child or future child were to become homosexual? I hate to break the news to you sweetheart, but homosexuality is something you are born with. So, I ask you once again, give me a real reason as to what we have done to you to hate us so much?

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232 Tionna April 15, 2011 at 7:51 am

Joy you are ignorant so ignorant… becasue of people like you gays, lesbians,bisexuals,transgendered and all are ashamed to be who they are… its sickening to think you think so low of people who are just going with their hearts….GO GAY MARRIAGE

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233 Danielle April 20, 2011 at 8:16 pm

A woman such as Joy will never understand what she is doing to people until something happens that puts her in our positions.

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234 Believer September 14, 2011 at 11:38 pm

Then let us go to hell, because of your personal religious views, we can not marry! Why is it any of your buisness in the first place! Well you know what Joy, it disgusts me how much you believe in “god” he isnt real, you have no proof! Why are christians such an influence in our society!? Why do they get to choose!! I will not let you type of people stop me from marrying my fiance i love her and i am proud to be gay!!!!!!

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235 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:54 pm

If that’s all it takes for you to believe the world is going to Hell, you must not have a very fulfilling life.

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236 kat November 10, 2011 at 12:01 pm

gay people are no different then us…sure they dont have the same face or anyting but they have what we all have in common….a heart!!!

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237 Meag April 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm

Everyone is created equal, we all have the same rights, and God loves ALL of his children. Is it really fair to say that people can’t marry because of their sexuality? if there is freedom of religion then freedom of sexuality should most definitely be a given. I believe that gay marriage should be totally legal in all 50 states, and quite frankly the whole world! Whether you are gay, bi, straight…shouldn’t we all be given the same right to love whoever the heck we want to?? Marriage is a beautiful right and privilege that EVERYONE deserves to experience. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but is it right to degrade someone else’s beliefs because they believe differently than you do? i really don’t care if you’re homophobe or not…but people should not publicly be rude to others because they are ignorant to the reality of the very diverse and modern world that no one can deny we live in today. So who cares if guys love guys and girls love girls or guys and girls love both gender?? get with the times people! and please just be fair and realistic and ALWAYS respectful to the opinions of others. btw…i’m catholic and straight.

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238 big dee April 13, 2011 at 11:38 am

speak the truth sister!!!!

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239 Mandy April 13, 2011 at 9:00 pm

WOOOOOOOOO

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240 Jose April 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

hey this country stands for equality, which is to say that all citizens are equal. It even says it in the declaration of independance that all men are created equal, that is what our founding fathers belived in that’s what our country belives in, so if you don’t like it then find annother country. :)

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241 Tabby April 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm

I do want to say I support gay marriage but even if I didn’t, this country is built upon the principle of a separation of church and state. That means that no law should be influenced by a religious belief to ensure everyone has equal rights! It is a miracle that laws making same-sex marriage illegal still exist, especially since they infringe the rights given to the citizens of America via the constitution.

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242 Ashley S. December 20, 2011 at 1:18 am

Thank you! I have been waiting for someone to bring that up. :)

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243 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:31 am

Me too.

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244 Shara April 13, 2011 at 2:57 pm

dear all ignorant people:
who’s to tell me who I can or cannot love or be with in my life? thats right!! nobody. why try to kill somone elses happiness and force them to be someone they arent? why make them hide behind this fake mask so that everyone else who’s opposed to gay marriage can feel better about themselves in their relationships. just because you arent happy doesnt mean that gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders cant be happy. honestly, its our lives.. if we want to be happy, then we will be. thanks.

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245 Mandy April 13, 2011 at 8:45 pm

Ppl r scared of “sin” ppl dont wanna leave gay ppl alone because they wanna control our lives. its stupid but thats how stupid ppl r. Stupid will die out soon soo we wont have to worry anymore

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246 A Teenage Girl April 13, 2011 at 9:20 pm

Dear Shara,

“That’s a big part of the gay marriage side’s problem: They cannot imagine why, aside from bigotry, anyone would disagree with them. To be sure, anyone on the traditional marriage side who doesn’t understand that denying marriage to same-sex couples imposes a serious burden on them is either willfully IGNORANT or hard-hearted. The thing is, empathy should go both ways.” -Rod Dreher

Empathy is a two-way street. Gay marriage activists say that hate crime against homosexuals should stop, what about the crime done to non-supporters by the activists? In California, supporters of Proposition 8, which repealed same-sex marriage, have suffered vandalism, job and business loss, intimidation and harassment by activists. Most all laws are voted on by the people, and if the people oppose your beliefs, so be it. For instance, if I were to disagree with who was voted President, should I take the government to “court” by saying the way of voting is unfair? I am doing a research project on gay and lesbian marriage, and I believe that I know this information very well. I believe that YOU are the ignorant one, and you should do as most gay rights supporters ask us to do: imagine what this issue looks like through the eyes of people not like themselves.

No one has told you that you cannot love whoever you wish to love, or that you cannot be with them. No one is forcing you to be someone you are not, it would be YOUR choice to hide behind a mask. Even if you are not married, just being with the person you love should make you as happy as ever. Think about what you say, opposing gay marriage does not necessarily mean that one is or is not happy with their own relationship. I am heterosexual, and my best friend is bisexual, and we get along perfectly well even though we have different views. Do not assume that just because someone opposes homosexual marriage means that they are not for homosexual rights; You know what they say about assuming, it just makes an ass out of you and me.

Sincerely,
A very informed teenager

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247 Silver April 14, 2011 at 9:03 am

We understand that people disagree with us. What we don’t understand is why you can’t just deal with it. Yeah, you don’t want us to get married but it has nothing to do with you so why do you get to say we can’t? Yes, there are extremists on our side who have probably embarrassed us. They vandalized and hurt others. But that’s not how we all are. We want what you want. Happiness. You thinking you have the power to keep that from us is wrong. And when I’m older, have kids, and am MARRIED to my wife, I’ll remember all the people who thought they needed to take that away from me. And I’ll have pity for them. Accepting the things you cannot understand is a part of life. I’m sorry that you have to live in a world of ignorance. I hope someday you can look past it and see that it really doesn’t concern you. And maybe have the ability to just ignore what isn’t your business.

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248 A Teenage Girl April 13, 2011 at 9:23 pm

“That’s a big part of the gay marriage side’s problem: They cannot imagine why, aside from bigotry, anyone would disagree with them. To be sure, anyone on the traditional marriage side who doesn’t understand that denying marriage to same-sex couples imposes a serious burden on them is either willfully IGNORANT or hard-hearted. The thing is, empathy should go both ways.” -Rod Dreher

Empathy is a two-way street. Gay marriage activists say that hate crime against homosexuals should stop, what about the crime done to non-supporters by the activists? In California, supporters of Proposition 8, which repealed same-sex marriage, have suffered vandalism, job and business loss, intimidation and harassment by activists. Most all laws are voted on by the people, and if the people oppose your beliefs, so be it. For instance, if I were to disagree with who was voted President, should I take the government to “court” by saying the way of voting is unfair? I am doing a research project on gay and lesbian marriage, and I believe that I know this information very well. I believe that YOU are the ignorant one, and you should do as most gay rights supporters ask us to do: imagine what this issue looks like through the eyes of people not like themselves.

No one has told you that you cannot love whoever you wish to love, or that you cannot be with them. No one is forcing you to be someone you are not, it would be YOUR choice to hide behind a mask. Even if you are not married, just being with the person you love should make you as happy as ever. Think about what you say, opposing gay marriage does not necessarily mean that one is or is not happy with their own relationship. I am heterosexual, and my best friend is bisexual, and we get along perfectly well even though we have different views. Do not assume that just because someone opposes homosexual marriage means that they are not for homosexual rights; You know what they say about assuming, it just makes an ass out of you and me.

Sincerely,
A very informed teenager

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249 Brighton April 14, 2011 at 11:01 am

I am also doing a report on same sex marriage, or SSM. While you make a good point you have to consider the fact that even if you were to commit to someone, you still wouldn’t have the rights to protect them. Marriage is about claiming someone and being able to provide and protect them, for anyone heterosexual, homosexual, etc. Marriage allows someone to put their spouse on an insurance plan, a will, to visit them in ICU or other such places. The piece of paper means next to nothing; it’s what comes with it. So it is rather contradictory to say that you support gay rights but you don’t support gay marriage because marriage should be the right of anyone, and to not allow it would be to say that gay people are less then heterosexual people because they don’t have the same rights. Denying someone that right, to provide for your partner, that is not just.

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250 A Teenage Girl April 21, 2011 at 11:29 pm

Oh, you misunderstand me slightly. And thank you, by the way, for not insulting me. I’ve done some more research, and domestic partnerships do provide insurance, and wills, and hospitals and such, and what they do not provide can be offered from the company that said people work at.

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251 Tai May 3, 2011 at 4:42 pm

Since you have done the research already, I would absolutely love it if you would please show me the where the guarantee of automobile, life, or health insurance is provided by a domestic partnership in Colorado. I’ve been researching for weeks, but with classes being so busy near the semester’s end, I just don’t know if I’ll be able to find much for this paper I am trying to write.

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252 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:56 am

There are fundamentalists from every walk of life. People want the advantages that being married to one another gives (tax breaks), as well as the right to call the person you love your spouse. I understand that there is harassment on both sides, but there has been an overwhelming amount more from religious fundamentalists.

There is no logical reason that gays can’t marry, just a bunch of convoluted morals form a myriad of religions that have found their way into politics.

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253 Tionna April 15, 2011 at 7:57 am

point blank gays are poepl too and they have the same rights as anyone…..

love holds no boundries and that includes gay love tooo….

GAY MARRIAGE NEED TO BE LEGALIZED IN ALLL STATES…

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254 Brandon Bailey April 20, 2011 at 8:44 am

I agree. SSM should be allowed because the Consitution gaurantees equality to ALL of its citizens, not just the straight ones. I’m straight but I have gay friends and they are just as human as anybody else. GO GAYS!!!

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255 Natalie April 21, 2011 at 8:07 am

Love is love, be with who you want to be with. f**k what others say!!

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256 Sarah April 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm

I was wondering in anyone would help me out with finding more sites like this one, that give statistics and percents. I’m conducting a survey of my local college to see if their views coensides with the national view on gay marriage. Any links or names of articles would be great.

On a personal note: We need to make that 47% of people who are against gay marriage shrink down to zero. It is an awful feeling to know that because I’m not the opposite sex from my partner, I cannot be married in my home state. Gay marriage needs to be legalized throughout our nation, not just in certain states.

Also, sexual orientation needs to become part of the civil rights act. Did you know that there is no legislation to stop an employer from discriminating against an individual because of their sexual orientation? Something needs to be done. And fast.

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257 danielle April 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm

i think that gay marriage is disgusting in the bible leviticus18;22 mankind shall not lay with mankind as they would with a women; it is an abomination. its wrong and they will have to answer for that at their judgment time im not judging ne one but my personal opinion is that it is morally wrong it says it right in the bible people are suppose to have sex to make babies and if ur gay then u cant make babies and thats what people are supposed to get married to reproduce thats what man and women are put here on earth to do. im not one of these people that say like God hates fags that would be kinda of contridicting bc godoesn’t hate ne one but it is very morally wrong and that is my personal opinion

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258 Lawrence May 3, 2011 at 5:21 pm

The book of Leviticus was written as a lawbook.
Chapter 18 deals with who it is and isn’t okay to have sex with.

How about Chapter 19? Did everyone forget that it exists? Many people in the USA could learn from its’ wisdom, too…

Leviticus 19:9 – Only harvest from a garden once, and never harvest from the edges… The edges and every harvest after the first are for foreigners and the poor.
Leviticus 19:13 – Wage-based employees are to be paid every day for that day’s work.
Leviticus 19:19 – Do not plant two different kinds of plants in the same field. Also, do not wear clothing made from two different kinds of material.
Leviticus 19:27 – Never cut the hair on the sides of your head. Never cut the sides of your beard.
Leviticus 19:28 – No tattoos.
Leviticus 19:33 – When a foreigner is living in the same area as you, do not mistreat them.
Leviticus 19:34 – Foreigners living in your area must be treated equally as native-born residents.

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259 A Teenage Girl April 21, 2011 at 11:26 pm

I think it’s sad that all of these people from the LGBT are cursing and insulting people who have different opinions than them. Everyone has different opinions and they should be respected, you guys say that we all hate you and how we are so cruel. What about how you guys treat us? With disgust and pure hatred. Look at all these comments guys, calling people uneducated, stupid, disgusting, f*** this, f*** that, calling people ignorant… Open your eyes and realize that you’re discriminating against us too. We’re all human beings and we shouldn’t be arguing this way. Y’all need to grow up and learn to respect each other, just like how you want to respected too.

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260 Mandy April 21, 2011 at 11:33 pm

We do not disrespect these ppl. We just dont like the fact that they think they can tell us wat we can and can not do, who we can and can not marry. They have no right to say wat they do.

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261 A Teenage Girl April 22, 2011 at 12:18 am

Not to argue, but technically everyone has freedom to protest. And please, I wish I could read these comments and say that there is no disrespect, but I can’t.

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262 Mandy April 22, 2011 at 9:11 pm

Im srry when ppl start calling us fags and saying we r disgusting, thats more disrespectful then us saying they r ignorant. They r fightinng a losing battle and should just leave us the fuck alone. Where is our freedom then? We protest against them and u make us out like we r the bad guys.

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263 Chas May 3, 2011 at 2:12 am

Honestly, I believe it goes both ways. The anti-homosexuals step on the homosexuals toes, and vice versa.

It is frustrating, though, when being a lesbian gets a woman fired… or “correctively raped” or being gay gets a man murdered or nearly beaten to death. There is also the matter of not being granted the same privileges as heterosexual married couples.

Last I checked, sitting idly by and speaking in kind words did not help any of the slaves. They were still beaten down (both literally and figuratively) and given and rights. Yes, things are different now. However, there are similarities. I don’t believe I need to list them.

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264 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:39 am

I think you may have just won the argument. No one has been brave enough to say that the LGBT Community (or at lease, some of the extremists) have not been “stepping on toes” as you put it.
Trust me, I get very insulted if someone calls me a “fag” or is just flat out rude about my sexuality and I will fight it until the day I die and, according to some, go to hell.

265 Christine June 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Umm, the people who are against LGBT are also disrespectful and they’re calling us disgusting too. Do you only see what you want to?

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266 Mandy April 21, 2011 at 11:35 pm

When do we vote if every guy can marry a woman or every woman can marry a man?

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267 A Teenage Girl April 22, 2011 at 12:20 am

ancient times, my friend, ancient times.

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268 Michelle November 21, 2011 at 2:59 am

We never voted for that. Never once. We take it for granted.

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269 K Terry April 27, 2011 at 12:25 am

It’s so simple…3 WORDS worry adout YOU. Shine your light and that’s IT if we want to hear about the bible we will go to church. Thank you and BEAT IT¡! Fewness of words Greatness (good)of deeds

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270 Anonymous April 27, 2011 at 8:21 am

You say that gay marriages will not affect others. What about children as growing up having to be taught that it is okay for a man to lay with a man. It is simply unnatural. I do not hate anyone. I love everyone and treat everyone the way I would want to be treated, just as Jesus Christ informed us to do. Pornography is immoral and frowned upon by many but it is accepted. Does that make it right? No. Marriage is an institution set up for man and woman based around religion. Why should we have to go against the Bible and God to satisy those that marriage wasn’t even intended for? Homosexuals can create their own ceremony but marriage should not be granted to them. I am not one to judge, I leave that to God to show his wrath because if you all read the Bible you would know that all those who do not follow his word are going to be destroyed. We just dont know when.

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271 KT April 27, 2011 at 8:47 am

And still you judge anonymous how does anyone REALLY KNOW, have your opinions just don’t say anything negative about mine again why can people NOT mind there own business…..I think if you sweep around your own door you might not have as much time to sweep around MINE. Get YOUR house in order. Even antibacterial soap can only get your hands 99.9…

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272 A Mother April 27, 2011 at 8:33 am

I agree. If we dont stand for something we will fall for anything. I dont want my children growing up believing that same-sex relationships are correct. I will teach my children to accept everyone, whether they are living morally correct or not, but what is wrong is wrong. What will be next? Will it be acceptable to have numerous wives or to commit adultery or prostitute. These are all listed next to each other in the Bible as sins. God looking down on us isn’t proud.But take the Bible away from it. We never had to vote on allowing the marriage of man and woman because that is who it was originated for. If you choose to go against morals and religions and natural tradition, thats a choice but to try to legalize it and declare something that is immorally incorrect as something morally correct is totally inappropriate. God said there would come a time when men will lay with men and war and poverty would be occuring. These are truly the last days.

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273 chloe September 14, 2011 at 11:59 pm

“try to legalize it and declare something that is immorally incorrect as something morally correct is totally inappropriate” – said the racist about coloured people wanting the right to vote.

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274 Lawyer April 27, 2011 at 8:37 am

In a sense I agree, we stand for equality and by accepting same-sex couples we are treating them equally. To make same-sex marriages legal is wrong tho. Maybe there should be a legal way to allow same-sex couples to have the same legal and financial rights without giving them the privelage of marriage because that is not what it stands for. Just because you BELIEVE or agree/disagree with something doesnt meant that it is right. Same-sex marriages are wrong. If we granted them the same legal and financial priveleges and did not discriminate against them I believe we are doing our part of equality. They can come up with there own ceremony if that makes them happy. But marriage was originated for man and woman and that’s who it should stay for.

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275 Mandy April 27, 2011 at 6:04 pm

Im soo fucking sick of this religion bullshit. Its just ppl trying to cover their asses. “we r all gods children” but for some reason god hates everyone but white ppl without sin. Im srry try walking through life without sin, if u say u do, ur a lying which is a sin. Keep ur close minded bible thumping thoughts to urself. Just because u believe it, doesnt mean the whole world does. So back the fuck off and let ppl be happy. Our lives have nothing to do with u, we were born this way, yes u can be born gay, soo shove it up ur asses.

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276 brianna April 29, 2011 at 12:32 pm

I honestly think that people shouldn’t care about whether someone is with the same sex. It’s none of their business honestly. If being with someone of the same sex makes them happy, then so be it. It may say homosexuality isn’t right in the bible, so I understand the religious people believing it, but it gives them no right to give them crap about it, let them be effing happy! “God hates fags” <–not true. We are all equal in Gods eyes, straight or not. I'm straight myself, but I support gay love! My bestfriend was murdered for being gay and that really got to me. Not only was he my bestfriend, he was like my brother, he was all I had, and just because some stupid homophobic asshole thought it was"gross" that he was with other guys. My recent boyfriend is BI, but I have no problem being with him. Homosexuality isn't a germ, it's a way of life. If you don't agree with it, ignore it. No biggy. :/

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277 Mandy April 29, 2011 at 7:58 pm

Im srry for ur loss. i understand where ur coming from.

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278 Katie May 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm

You love who you love. Everyone was made for someone whether it be a woman for a man, a man for a woman, a woman for a woman, or a man for a man. I’m straight but I have alot of gay friends and I’m all for SSM!! Everyone should be able to marry who they want without someone else interfering!

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279 Zai May 2, 2011 at 11:59 pm

I think it is a great idea to have Same-Sex marriage in our country. It was a free country to begin with so why cant we keep it one? Me and most of my friends are Bi/Lesbian/Gay and we all say that it is right to have Same-sex marriage so we can all be equal and not mistreated.

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280 Bubbles May 4, 2011 at 9:16 am

I believe that that you cant help who you fall in love with whether its a man and a man or a woman and woman….Ive heard the saying that God didnt create adam and steve, but he did also say that love who you love… To be honest im not gay but i support gays, and i believe they should be treated as equals and be aloud to marry and adopt…. thats just my thought

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281 Diamond May 4, 2011 at 10:22 am

okay so honestly im a bisexual 16 year old girl and i have currently been dating a girl for the past year and dont see why its a big deal for people to date someone of the same gender if your happy with who your dating or married to then it shouldnt be a big deal if your straight then dont worry about if someone is gay and dating someone thats the same gender as them it doesnt affect you so why do you care let people live their lives the way they want dont judge them untill you have walked in their shoes.

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282 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 7:19 pm

People should care because those that do not recognize it as sin and dont repent die and go to hell! Its the harsh reality. I know that so many people have been judged for being gay and I do not think that is right at all, (God will give his judgment at the end of time!) I am A christian and believe that everyone was born a sinner, not gay…they can choose- they also can choose to be happy in this life, but eternally miserable in the next! There is a way out, and JEsus Christ can save you , he can give you the strength to fight the urge! I have heard so many stories of people turning their life around for Christ- it can happen! IF you want to know how, ask me- I can tell you about Jesus before it is too late, He wants everyone on earth to know him!!! :)

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283 Taylor Levin February 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm

What a terribly ignorant reply. :/
“They can choose”? Um, last time I checked, being homosexual ISN’T a choice, its just how you were born, just like people aren’t born black or Asian or something because they wanted to be. You can’t help who you fall in love with. Yes, its their choice who they are with and for how long, but they can’t DECIDE that they want to fall in love with a certain someone. Either it happens or it doesn’t. I didn’t choose to fall in love with my boyfriend, and yet I did. I didn’t choose to be bisexual, and yet I am. Its just how I was born. Its not because of my parents, its not because the Devil or something influenced me into being a “sinner”; it just happened, and I accepted it instead of just lying to myself and changing myself JUST to make other people happy. Is my mother happy that I’m bisexual? No, but I shouldn’t change how I am just to make one person happy. That’d be ridiculous, and that’s usually how people end up committing suicide, because they have to then bottle up their emotions and what they want to say until they can’t take it anymore. So please, save the religious stuff for other devout followers, not the whole world that actually has more than just your religion in it.

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284 Silver May 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm

For all the people saying it is wrong to be with the same sex, I don’t think your wrong. Love is love. You can’t choose who you love, it happens. What if a woman and a man being together was considered wrong? If someone told you to start loving the same sex you couldn’t. because its how you feel.

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285 Silver May 8, 2011 at 11:08 pm

whoops. i meant dont think your right

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286 ashley May 12, 2011 at 1:05 pm

i belive that love ism love no matter what so there for i agree with gay marriages… I see nothing wrong with. i mean it not like there bother you from any thing just the right to spend that rest of there life with the person they love…. thats come from a proud lesbian XD

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287 Mercy May 13, 2011 at 12:01 am

I’m sorry to say but this is not a free country and it never has been. The “freedom” everyone claims we have, is an illusion. We don’t really have “freedom of speech” its limited, so where is the freedom? And no rights have been taken away from anybody! Anybody can marry, regardless of what your sexual preference is, you just can’t marry your same gender. Unfortunately this country was based from Christian values and needs to change since we have so many cultures now. Regardless, If you truly love somebody and want to spend the rest of your life with them, then do it. That piece of paper doesn’t tell you who to love, much less for how long. Nobody is stopping anybody from loving.

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288 Jacee May 13, 2011 at 2:12 pm

I think everyone, gay or straight, has the right to be miserable if they want it! Lets make gay marriage legal.

PS: i’m a huge Christian and that’s my opinion. just saying :)

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289 racer November 17, 2011 at 3:07 pm

your no christian, if you agree that gay marriage is correct.

Sincerely,
Racer…

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290 Alan November 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm

Just exactly how do you define “Christian”? I define it as a follower of Christ. Christ never spoke in any direction that could be applied to approving or disapproving of gay marriage. No one has the right to define for someone else whether they are or are not Christian; you are far overstepping your bounds to do so.

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291 Dess March 17, 2012 at 11:48 am

My grandmother was raised in Georgia by her father who was a preacher for the Southern Baptist Church. She still thinks it’s fine for me, her grand daughter, to be a lesbian. She is a God-fearing woman too and believes that God loves everyone regardless. And who are you to say who is and who isn’t a Christian? Are you God? I hope not or we’re all screwed.

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292 Silver May 17, 2011 at 5:39 pm

but that piece of paper gives people the rights as married couples, like inheritance, leave when spouse is sick, etc.

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293 Mercy May 17, 2011 at 7:46 pm

If that is the case, and that’s what’s truly being fought for, then why isn’t a carefuly written law defineing those rights as part of a legalized civil union being fought for? Don’t you think that a law in that type of matter would be easier for people to accept and something that could have passed a long time ago? Just a thought.
I’m writing an essay for school and I’m trying to understand.

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294 Lawrence May 21, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Here in Colorado, voters killed Referendum I back in 2006 that would have offered all the rights without calling it a marriage. The term was “domestic partnership” which is a cold, legal definition. You should have seen the church-funded opposition to it…

Also, on March 31st of this year, church-organized, religious-based (as was obvious by the signs) protests and campaigns helped to kill a civil union bill in the state legislature.

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295 Silver May 17, 2011 at 7:51 pm

There are laws that define rights like that. but only 2 states enforce those laws. and only five allow gay marriage. the other states do not give either

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296 Hannah May 17, 2011 at 10:51 pm

I find it ridiculous that gays are not allowed to marry.

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297 kyle May 18, 2011 at 6:26 am

nope. gay marriage should remain illegal. allowing gay marriage would overall affect the true meaning of holy matrimony. how could it be holy if the bible doesnt allow homosexuality.

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298 Lawrence May 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm

you seem to misunderstand…
The term ‘marriage’ is a legal definition… Which denomination of what religion gets to define law here? We are not a theocracy. In fact, if you want to know how little religion meant to government affairs in the early years of the nation, I suggest you check out the Treaty of Tripoli. In the early 1800s, the US declared itself to be a country that was (very slight paraphrasing) not founded on or run by christianity.

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299 Mercy May 22, 2011 at 9:04 pm

If that is the case, then why does our government continue to print money with “god” in it, why do we continue to swear our government officials over a bible, why do we continue to swear under gods name in court and why do we continue to be a “nation under god”?

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300 kat November 10, 2011 at 12:18 pm

really your going off on what the bible says what the HELL thats stupid gay people should have the right to be happy just as straight people do >:(

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301 VInce May 22, 2011 at 4:06 pm

What is y’all talking about OK so some don’t believe in God OK, its still wrong no matter how you put it, it simply don’t add up. Its real people who choice to make decisions based on feelings and self value not logic and commonsense. If i can sum it all in one word it would be Denial. They are people who live a unhealthy life they know , because doctors tell them all the time scientifaclly they are wrong they have no principles or real answers its always how I feel. I work at a clinque they are more highly to catch diseases more then staright people they are limited people who want people to open doors for them, but what they fail to realize is that they will never be satisfied until they get to know God and dont lie, some of yall do believe in God LOL

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302 Mandy May 22, 2011 at 10:58 pm

I did not understand anything u just said

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303 Vince May 23, 2011 at 6:57 am

Maybe u have a hard time comprehending it’s simple. It’s more then religious reasons to believe same sex Is wrong. There are no critical thinkers in here. Just people who except whatever it maybe without evaluation of consequence if you know something Is been proven to be unhealthy, limited (life), makes decisions based on how they feel more then what know. Do you tell someone who is on drugs that it’s kool cause I want you to be happy. It’s ok to have understanding but accepting it is totally different.

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304 Mandy May 23, 2011 at 6:44 pm

No i didnt understand wat u said because i dont even think u were trying to speak english.

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305 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:00 am

Agree.

306 Taylor Levin February 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm

I… don’t understand a lick of what you’re trying to say. Please, work on your grammar, before you post this kind of stuff.
Also, when you stated that they are more likely to catch diseases, that’s not exactly true. They might have lower life expectancy, but a person’s immunity to a disease is NOT dependent on whether or not they have sex with the same or opposite gender. Its dependent on how risky they are with sexual encounters, drug use, and the like. Just sayin.

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307 vince February 6, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Sorry, but your wrong. Homosexuals do have a higher risk of catching sexually transmitted diseases. Their sexuality is not something I have to debate about in detail, its nasty. This is why most people and including the government is not so quick to accept these debates. Sympathy is what got homosexuals the limited options they have today. Mental disorder is not something that can be easily fixed, especially when you got people who will deny they have a issue; come on ! Who wants to admit they have an issue? Think about it! Maybe if you were smart, you would have known that mental disorders is real, but to cure it, people would have to admit it first; therefore homosexuals can deny it the rest of their life, cause we can’t force them to change it. Sorry about my poor grammar skills on that old post, but at least I can admit when I carelessly do not read my post, while I’m busy.

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308 Kay February 6, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Really, sir? This was on one of the last posts I put… Its not a mental disorder. Because if liking someone is a mental disorder, then you just admitted you have a mental disorder as well. And people that are asexual do not because they don’t like anyone. Homosexuals have the same amount of risk to catch STIs as do heterosexuals. The government is not so quick to accept these debates because most of them are religious, and therefore so not accept homosexuality. And what you are doing is not going to make people believe you. You are not putting logic into anything you say, and so therefore are putting absolutely no thought into what you’re saying. Also, they aren’t STDs anymore, they’re called STIs, which can be caught by anyone, and one race, sexuality, or gender is not above others on getting them.

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309 Vince February 6, 2012 at 11:16 pm

NO, Kay I’m not fighting over something that I can have naturally. HIV infection is well known to be a higher risk, including hepatitis and stds, like syphilis, gonorrhea, Chlamydia and pubic lice. From Prostate, testicular and colon cancer and last but not least ANAL Papilloma which causes warts on the anus and on the genital. These diseases are common with homosexuality. Studies even say their life span is shorter, I know you heard that before ,,hhhmmmm I wonder why? The logic is you are in denial….. another psychological issue.

310 Kay February 7, 2012 at 6:40 am

Actually, yes you are. Because, once again, there are no STIs that choose one gender, race, or sexuality above all others. And its nice to know that you at least researched a bit (even if it is mostly wrong) considering last time you didn’t even know what prostate cancer was.

311 vince February 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm

What are you talking about I was being sarcastic about the peanuts. 2nd I was not about Christianity , so that shows how mad and ignorant you are. The other stuff is irrelevant, your really mad.

312 Taylor Levin February 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm

Just because you might be homosexual does NOT mean you have a mental disorder! Homosexuality is NOTHING like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. And you know, that’s pretty convenient to say that ALL of these people have mental disorders, and are just ashamed of admitting it. Seriously? If other people with other mental disorders can find a way to admit it, I’m pretty sure that homosexuals would have found a way too. But guess what? They haven’t. And why? Because its not a disorder! And again, almost my entire family is working in the medical field, and all it takes is recent statistics to realize that (sorry to burst your poor religious bubble) heterosexuals are just as vulnerable to STDs/STIs as homosexuals are. Any resistance or immunity to them is purely just how their body is, not because they’re straight or they believe in God. Once again, any person can catch STDs by using drugs (like using needles) or because of risky sexual behaviour and not practicing safe sex.
Also, I’ve been reading through your other numerous comments, and I like that you continuously try to push your opinion onto others without any reason as to why, just restating and restating your thoughts. If its nasty to you, that’s fine with me, its what you believe in. But you could give much better supportive evidence than just “God said it, so it must be true”. Also, it made me laugh when, in one of your earlier posts, you stated that you don’t hate homosexuality, and that you have an understanding for it. Considering you continously say its nasty and against God’s will, and you’ve also called it a mental disorder, just where is this understanding that you speak of? From my point of view, you honestly seem like you have a one-track mind throughout this thing. Its either you’re right, or no one is.
But whatever, its your opinion, but I hope you at least understand this one thing: society will continue to change, and with it will be the public’s opinion, and they’ll eventually disappoint your strong stand. I just hope you don’t turn into one of those “God hates fags” people who kills innocent people just because they love a person of the same sex. Good luck with your hatred.

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313 Vince February 6, 2012 at 11:26 pm

I guess your one of those guys who hate people who disagree with homosexual behaviour. Having understanding doesnt mean, I have to accept. Guess what you cant prove they dont have a disorder either. People who dont accept who they are naturally when they look in the mirrior, and start to deny every purpose of their body, because of how they feel, even after evaluation!! lives in denial and to me something is wrong.

314 Alan February 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm

No, Vince, as usual, YOU are the one who is wrong as you display your appalling ignorance. Applying the word “nasty” to homosexuality lacks any semblance of objectivity and is nothing more than an example of your personal, homophobic opinion. Because of your usual lack of clarity, it is difficult to know what you mean by “these debates” but, if it relates to the religious aspects then it is exactly true, as Kay suggests, that the government will not, in fact can not, enter that sort of debate. You are also quite wrong that “sympathy is what got homosexuals the limited options they have today” – those limited options have come about by the persistent efforts by the gay population in concert with those heterosexuals who understand that the limitations placed on homosexuals have come about through bigotry and the denial of legally granted equal rights. Your implication that homosexuality is a mental disorder reaches back more than 30 years, before 1973, when the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder, followed by the American Psychological Association, in 1975. The actions of these two major institutions were based on the fact that research prior to that consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific bases for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality. To continue to insist that homosexuality is a mental disorder is equivalent to insisting that intelligence is a factor of gender or race, as it was once prevalently considered. So, Vince, you need to give it up, as you are, once again, quite totally wrong.

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315 Vince February 6, 2012 at 11:53 pm

Alan shut up!! OK, I don’t like peanuts, so what does that make me know? Weak tricks homosexuals always use to make people look like the bad guy. Not proving homosexual disorders are mental illnesses, doesn’t mean it’s false. To this day Alan one of the main reasons it’s not cured is because of Stigmatization, which deals with personal barriers that people with mental disorders are ashamed of and chose to hide; as well as being labeled as criminals instead of people with mental disorders; and that’s a fact.

316 Alan February 7, 2012 at 2:27 am

Hmm…no, Vince, you will never shut me up (and it’s SO polite of you to express yourself that way — oh, wait, you’re a good Christian, so I guess telling people to “shut up” must be something Christians do, is it?)…no one seems to be able to shut you up, in spite of the number of times the light has been shined so brightly on your ignorance. And, no, Vince, the reason homosexuality has never been “cured” is because it’s not something to be cured. Would you try to “cure” left-handedness? People used to try that, and found out it not only couldn’t be done, but the effort was much more damaging than helpful. Homosexuality is part of who you are, not some “illness” to be cured. Of course you are so deluded in believing your own ridiculous, homophobic ideas that you would honestly believe that you can stand up against the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations. Most of what you say is pure B.S. (and I don’t mean Bachelor of Science, since I’m sure you’ve never earned any kind of college degree).

317 Kay February 7, 2012 at 6:51 am

Woot, you don’t like peanuts. Please, keep putting your other personal information on here that no one cares about. Because everything about you – including your personal likes and dislikes – are completely relevant to whether or not homosexual marriage should be allowed. Oh wait! Because Christianity is the base of everything as well, we can’t have that!

I hate computers, because you can’t sense the massive amounts of sarcasm I put in there just for you guys.

And homosexuality isn’t considered a mental disorder, its considered a preference. Much like Coke or Pepsi, or Mountain Dew or the generic brand. And as I’ve stated before (if you bother to read beside “these people are okay with gays!”) if preference is considered a mental disorder, then everyone who prefers being hetero or homosexual has a mental disorder. Finally, not all people who have mental disorders have a barrier they need “to walk past to find the light and accept who they are for flowers and roses” and all of that wonderful crap. Because (also as I’ve stated before) I have schizophrenia, and I’m completely open about it. We aren’t considered criminals, because criminals are people who do something unlawful or unethic.

Please, keep trying to enlighten us, you’re just pushing us further in the dark with all of your twisted synonyms.

318 vince February 7, 2012 at 11:34 am

Since I can’t post this under your post, so ill do it right here. Actually I do have a bachelor degree and I believe I already told you I’m in the health care field; so therefore I do study about different mental illnesses. So you can have your opinion.

319 Alan February 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Oh, Vince, of course everything about your personal life is so important to all of us, we must know and keep track of everything about your education and work history, the fact that you don’t like peanuts, and every other irrelevant detail you throw into the garbage that you spew here. There are ways for someone to be “in the health care field” without having a bachelor’s degree; and your abominable manner of expressing yourself, with your atrocious grammar, certainly does not lead anyone to think you might have anything more than a minimal education. And none of that changes the fact that your comments are continually filled with bovine excrement.

320 vince February 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm

What you mad for Alan ? Your like a little boy. Well grammar can be fixed, just like homosexual behaviour. So when you start to work on your homo behaviors, i will work on bettering my grammar. Deal?

321 Taylor Levin February 7, 2012 at 6:55 pm

It cannot be fixed! That’s basically saying that straight behaviour can be fixed as well! And can it? No. It’s a sexual preference, how your body responds to another sex. Its not controlled by your choice. I never chose to be bisexual, I just happened to realize that I have an equal sexual interest in females as I do males. Did I ever decide, “Hey, lets see what happens when I like guys AND girls!”? No. It just happened. And it doesn’t matter whether or not if I think it feels right. Its how your body will respond, and you shouldn’t fight against how it feels. Take care of your body, but don’t lie to yourself and label your bodily reactions as a mental illness just because someone else has said so or says it’s wrong to feel as such.
Also, again, I mention that its convenient for you to state that homosexuality is just a mental disorder. But how do you know its a mental disorder? And don’t give me that God shit, what medical evidence tells you that homosexuality is a mental disorder? Please, despite your inability to answer other questions, I’m hoping you’ll at least answer this, Vince.

322 Kay February 7, 2012 at 7:46 pm

Because, once again, you ignored half the stuff I said, and got only the underlying meaning of “she accepts gays!” Its not a mental disorder. I AM a psychologist, so I do know what I’m talking about. And calling someone a homo just because they accept them isn’t right. Because, once again, homosexual behavior isn’t a mental disorder, its a lifestyle, its a preference, and its not something that you can change. Don’t reply at all if you’re just going to argue. I hope that the two who are actually making sense – Taylor Levin, and Alan – don’t argue with this ignorant man. He’s probably an ancient old man who can’t accept change and likes to irritate the younger generation for a pastime.

323 Alan February 8, 2012 at 12:41 am

First, Vince, as others have told you, “mad” refers to insanity, what you really mean is “angry” — and who is the one who is shouting at others to shut up? It is “you’re” not “your” like a little boy — which makes no sense (or, so you will understand “since”) at all — but making no sense is par for the course for you. And yes, grammar can be fixed, but it requires intelligence which, like the many things that are part of who you are, like sexuality, cannot be fixed. I’m afraid you’re stuck with the limited intelligence you have. And, since (btw, this is the proper usage of the word “since”) I’ve never told you whether I’m gay or straight, even if there were such a thing as “homo behaviors” you have no way of knowing whether or not they are something I might need to “work on.” Just keep on with your atrocious grammar — it’s so revealing of your lack of education. For now, though, this little exchange is finished — we’ve spent entirely too much time without getting to the point of this forum: whether or not gay marriage should be legal. So, unless you get back to that point, I’ll just go back to playing the merry-go-round music.

324 vince February 8, 2012 at 2:48 am

Big deal Alan, when I talk to you its quick and to the point; plus I don’t like men, I prefer women. Lack of use of proper grammar doesn’t mean somebody is lacking education. So correct me if I’m wrong you’re an idiot. It’s funny how angry (mad) you are. You’re like a little kid in middle school. Causal conversations are used all the time, and I’m not here to impress a sensitive, immature fool, who can’t stick to the subject. Practice what you preach Alan, and stop stalking my post; but then again this might be your life.

325 Alan February 8, 2012 at 10:34 am

Enjoy your merry-go-round ride…

326 Alan February 8, 2012 at 10:36 am

And you let us know when you’re ready to get off the merry-go-round….that won’t be soon, I’m sure, as you seem to enjoy going in circles and being dizzy.

327 RainOnUrDay May 22, 2011 at 4:43 pm

People always say all this shit about the bible and gay marriage. But the bible also says if a women does not stay a virgin till she is married she shall be stoned to death, also you will be put to death is you have sex with a women on her period, if you cheat you also die and if her husband gets into a fight with another man she has to grab the other mans stuff and her hand will be chopped off and it will all be her fault! yea cheating, sex and violence is all the world is today and there is no laws again any of it! so stopped being so closed minded we are all gods children and let everyone love and MARRY who they want<3
Have a nice day:)

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328 Bobby Schwoyer May 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm

im bisexual and i agree with the article. everyone has a right to be happy…….so if i wanna marry a guy and he makes me happy…..then just let me do it. stop judging us. we were the nicest people u will ever meet, and get along with. worry about your own relationships b4 u go pickin on mine:)

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329 Vince May 24, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Why do people keep saying God loves everybody like that means your going to heaven. If you choose to continue to sin you will not be forgiven until you stop and repent stop making up your own stories . God talks about all different types of Sinners; not just he loves everybody so you can do what ever you want why the Hec do you think it’s rules why do homosexuals supports think they suppose to get special treatment if they dont change just like any sinner they will not make if you say god said that God approves of this then your co
Miting a sin as well. So ic you really dont know the word make a opinion and stop putting God i it because your making it worse for yourseld God says homosexuality is a abomination to him. What bible are y’all reading. Lol

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330 Jessie May 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm

Because God does love everyone. being gay is not the worst sin in the bible, that’s just what it’s made out to be. isn’t it a sin to not wear a head covering, to have sex before marriage? Excuse me, but what bible HAVE YOU been reading? King James says that God loves everyone. We except Jesus into our hearts and apparently we all go to heaven. We have not spoken to god, we have not seen him, all we have it faith and a bible. Your the type of person who will say Islams will go to Hell and so will Muslims and anyone who does not believe in Jesus, well why can’t we all go to heaven? Why is it so impossible to beleive that God lets us live learn from mistakes and then we go to heaven? He knows whats in hearts right? so then he knows that when a gay couple love eachother they can really really love eachother.

Isn’t it also against gods wishes to get divorced? Look, it’s all about choices here, I get that you don’t want to like this, fine, don’t, but don’t be coming on sites like these and saying all those awful things about people who are gay burning in hell and that they are sinners. The world today is a very different place than it was thousands of years ago.

God really does love us all. It’s a fact that he sent his son to die for us that speaks for itself. He loves all of us. He gave that theif a place in heaven. So why not people who are gay? There’s nothing wrong with loving another person, and truly loveing. People who are straight jump from person to person just as much as a gay person does.

By the way, I’m straight and I am 100% pro human rights.

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331 Mandy May 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm

Thank u Jessie. Im very happy that u live to believe that. Its nice to see someone who believes in the bible who really took the right meaning out of it. -high five-

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332 EmilyLaserbeam May 25, 2011 at 2:11 pm

Gay marriage is perfectly okay. How wpuld you feel if someone told you that you shouldn’t like ice cream, but you love ice cream? you should be able to eat all the ice cream you want, and love who ever you want to. What are you hitler? seperating people into groups by their sexual orientation? that’s dumb. GAY MARRIAGE IS FINE. and it needs to be allowed on every state. :)

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333 EmilyLaserbeam May 25, 2011 at 2:14 pm

GOD LOVES EVERYONE. :) except for hitler and chuck norris.

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334 Bobby Light May 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm

I AM A GAY AMERICAN. i should be able to marry whoever i want, just saying. :)

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335 Kerser11 May 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm

I LOVE KARSON GIGLIO. :)

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336 Vince May 25, 2011 at 10:47 pm

Lol abomination doesn’t sound like ok well as long as you love each other you will be accepted into the kingdom. If they love each other with no sex involved ok but what makes homosexuality is the same gender having sex duh. It’s no where in the bible that says just because God loves us that means we are invited into the kingdom plus repent does not mean to continue into a sin it means stop and give your life to him. If you believe in God, it’s not my job to say who goes to he’ll, you should define abomination then you can get a idea how disgusting God thinks about it know you can stop that love stuff because God shows us how much he love us all the time, to encourage us to depend on him and to live a life of righteousness. So when doing that we can’t make decisions based on what we feel is right because if we do it’s called self-righteous you can look that up too. So when you say you worship God, but you tell a sinner it’s ok for them to live there life that way, you are committing a sin as well because God holds you accountable to share the right word. Lean not to your own understanding; doesn’t sound like do what you feel Is right.

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337 Mandy May 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm

Stop being so closed minded and get a life. Like really dude. Its just sad. Pushing ur religion on others is depressing. Shouldnt u be gone with the rapture and all???

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338 Vince May 27, 2011 at 7:12 am

Sorry Mandy if you didn’t realize some of us do believe in God. And this comment room is about Same sex marriage and when you speak of marriage how can you not think about God silly Mandy

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339 Chas May 27, 2011 at 1:37 pm

I think about God every day.

God loves everyone. Last I checked, God is the one that makes the final decision regarding each human’s fate. I doubt he needs the help of an angry, hateful sinner-which is, last I checked, what we all are. Even Jesus was a big-time sinner. There he is, though, right next to God. I look forward to seeing his face, when I arrive in Heaven.

I see no reason to waste valuable energy tossing anger and wasting time. No human has been given the right to judge another human. I believe that, as well, is being “self-righteous”.

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340 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 7:22 pm

JESUS lived the perfect life on earth, he is the only one who was good enough and the perfect sacrifice for us ! We ARE ALL SINNERS, HE IS PERFECT, WE NEED HIM. I can’t believe you would say that, he died the life we all deserved, and still wants us even though so many deny his name!

341 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:03 am

if you know it’s not your job to say who goes to hell, why do all you anti-gays think it’s your job to act on “the word of God” and say who can and cannot get married?

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342 Charnie May 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm

So here’s my predicament and would love some advise. I’m South African (female), met my partner (female) on the internet in 1997. We got together physically the latter part of 1997 and been together since March 1998. It’s been 13 wonderful years and yes I’m in the USA with her. After being denied legal residence due to several factors, we’re also denied partnership by Mississippi where we live. I am not allowed to drive because I can’t get a drivers license with no SS# and many other things I can’t get due to not being legal. How can I get legal status if there are no options available to me, how will I be protected and stay with my partner? Another wrench is my son just turned 18 so he’s in the same boat as I–visa violation and no rights, not even human rights such as a right to work and drive etc… so much for freedom. Just a waiting game as it’s been for the last 13 years. I’m getting older though but can’t contribute to my old-age. Will Americans see the harm they do by not allowing us to be together legally? I love my partner, I couldn’t help but fall in love with her, not my fault she’s a woman as I am. I just fell in love with her. If she was a man I wouldn’t have a problem legally would I… any suggestions out there?

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343 Vince May 28, 2011 at 1:30 am

Hey Charnie the truth is that just as you would like for us to understand what’s important to you; you must understand that there are a lot of people who disagree with the lifestyle. To tell you the truth. Your lifestyle is temporary so you should be disappointed about it

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344 Mandy May 28, 2011 at 1:35 am

Wow dude. Disagree all u like because one day soon itll be legal around that world.
Charnie, Live ur life. Be happy. And dont listen to Vince, hes to closed minded to see he is sinning. Be happy with ur girlfriend no matter wat. Dont let ppl stand in ur way

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345 Vince May 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm

If im Closed minded then you are too because you dont understand why people we disagree, I never said I hate homosexuallity I don’t accept it but I do have understanding for it. you can do what you want, but when it comes down to changing the main purpose of marriage and the history of marriage it’s wrong we have rights to fight too. So were not hating or closed minded were fighting for our rights. A good stereotype would be is why all gay people believe we can’t fight for what we believe in. So when you say closed minded think of yourself and your community. P.s natural is proven to be always better so go head and deny your physical appearance and organs and it’s natural purpose so I can say you have a psychological issue not a gay one

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346 Mandy May 30, 2011 at 6:17 am

Wat rights r gay ppl taking away from u? Really? Do tell me wat we have done to not be given the same rights as u. Many gay ppl believe in god, i dont but they believe god still loves them which he does because he put them on this earth for a reason. If god didnt want them here they wouldnt be here. If gay ppl cant love each other wat reason did god have to putting them here. U just insulted the wrong person. Saying its a psychological issue is just plain ignorant.

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347 Vince May 30, 2011 at 8:40 pm

First of all it’s not natural it’s an effect of a cause that happens to most people who choice this lifestyle. Marriage is a cultural philosophy that has been practiced way before equal rights came about and law, how can y’all want rights in something that was never directed to homosexuality and is against it. Most homosexuals hate morals because its cause you to make decisions with your brain and not what you feel. But if you want equal rights then that’s a moral thing, so that tells us how homosexuals base there decisions on their feelings, when the moral thing is that what feel doesn’t validate what’s right. So if y’all are confused and making decisions just because it feels right then No you don’t have the same right at all. Y’all will have to understand the danger it will bring to our future and to the children. Y’all can do what y’all want but it’s wrong to change a culture for a silly lifestyle that has no logic purpose and good enough reason. Still gay people to this day who believe in God ever ask themselves why do I ignore what is said about homosexuality. Basically saying I agree with everything he said but when God talks about us there must be a exception. Just like any sinner that lives a lifestyle of there own and knows don’t go around telling people well I feel like this it must be the way God created me. So when bestiality comes and people who love animals and start wanting to marry their pets and people that protest against cruelty to animals start going crazy just think to yourself this is why they didn’t want those doors open. I got a question why is AIDS formed most when gay people come together, they maid a medicine so that gay people can take it so they won’t catch aids, that’s not natural God talks about y’all doing these things and just like every sinner we have our consequence , but yall’s are diseases and death.

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348 Mandy May 31, 2011 at 6:17 am

If ur gonna say stufff, get ur facts rights. But then again ur to ignorant to see outside of ur hole in the ground.

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349 Vince May 31, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Mandy if you cant defend your opinion or belief don’t get mad at me. Because this is why people who don’t trust it feel the way they do; because it’s a logical explanation that is not based on just how we feel, other then your lifestyle who’s only line of defense is “this feels right ; therefore it must be right”. I believe we do more evaluating than Y’all do even on y’all own lifestyle . Like Hammer said ” feelings nothing more than feelings” it doesn’t hold wait Mandy. So stop getting mad and start to ask yourself them questions you love to run from

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350 Mandy May 31, 2011 at 5:15 pm

For wat reasons do u do stuff? U believe its right? U feel its right? U think its right? Ur looking at all 3. I believe I love women because I feel that its right and u know the big difference between me and u? I dont think its right, I know its right. Tell me y do u “believe” in god? Y do u “feel” that following the bible is right? Y do u “think” god is right?

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351 Vince May 31, 2011 at 6:42 pm

I look for the better good, I look to prosper and not to be limited in life. When I chose to follow God is when I realized his purpose for life made perfect since, and what I felt was good for me was only good for me which I learned was selffish because I learned I don’t live just for myself, I knew man and women belong together because of procreation, you and I was not created by the same sex, so the bible teaches logic and things that are reasonable, my life is better when I follow God’s way I tryed other things but its not as reliable as God is. When you read and learn the bible you see yourself. So when I chose to follow God I was able to experience everything that God talks about which explains to me that even God doesnt force him self on us he allows you to seek the truth and thats were you will find Him. Easy your next

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352 Mandy May 31, 2011 at 11:04 pm

He doesnt force himself on everyone. All his believers do that for him. Cramming ur religion and beliefs down other ppls throats because u wanna share ur view on the bible. When in truth, everyone sees the bible a different way. But its ppl like u who r selfish, they dont care about the happiness of others, they dont care wat others believe, they just dont care about anything but themselves. And thats u.

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353 kat November 10, 2011 at 12:57 pm

what the hell is wrong with you vince gay people deserve to be happy they have as much right as we do soo shut the HELL up it’s your oppinion and nobody likes your negative talk!!

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354 Vince June 1, 2011 at 4:14 pm

Again Mandy I’m not cramming anything I’m talking to those who do believe and I answered your question. If you really read my comments I talk about reasoning and logical views that I believe we can relate to as human beings. I just explain to those that do believe theses are things that are so spoken in the bible. Do what you want Mandy but as you go on your own path count your limitations that are caused of that lifestyle you can find the truth yourself, because if you trully believe what you feel is right then you should be able to defend it and prove that it’s worth fighting for. Unless you believe in anything with out good evaluation.

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355 Mandy June 1, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Well ur “spreading the word” to the wrong ppl. Go join a forum or something and talk about god there. I was born the way i am. Random fact: studies show that ppl r born into a religion. Hmmmmm sounds really close to being born gay. Something u cant help

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356 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:06 am

Nice!

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357 Charnie June 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm

and again Vince, logically speaking. When exactly did you decide to be heterosexual? Or were you born heterosexual? Logically speaking I was born gay, so what exactly… logically speaking are you preaching about?

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358 Vince June 1, 2011 at 11:17 pm

How are you born gay when you learn as you develop as a baby you don’t know how to be gay. But anyway you might feel that way
, but u still have a brain, use it sometimes you’ll go far in life. Are you serious look Mandy I’m a Man, main purpose of any organ I use is to procreate, your purpose has no purpose but just nasty purposes ; keep denying who you really are because you trying to change what logical really mean ,because you can’t except the truth. You like a limited life go head. You ever think why There is Man and Women come on. Just because your organs don’t work correctly that doesn’t mean you gay, you just have a disability

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359 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:06 am

Nasty purposes? You’ve clearly never had sex.

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360 Mandy June 1, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Ok woah dude. Ur just kinda stupid and kinda fucking ignorant. Is this where ur bible thumping has taken u? Right to stupid town? Ppl r born gay. U dont learn to be gay, ur not gay for the fucking fun of it. Im happy without men, mostly if they r as stupid as u. ur the one with the disability, ur wasted space on this earth. U need to learn there r other views to life, u ignorant, bible thumping creep.

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361 Vince June 2, 2011 at 8:48 am

No baby in the world was born with a sexual preference, that proves as a child something happen to you; whether it was something you saw, or developed thinking it was ok. Know there is no research saying that baby’s are born gay it’s an illusion, because the only people in the world that says Gay people are born that way is people that are Gay. And the parents of the children who support it. So stupid Mandy Genes dont have anything to do with a choice of lifestyle or makes your preference of choice stupid, which proves it’s a mental thing that you accepted to be ok. But live your life, none of your statements ever prove why it’s true. I’m not even talking about the bible again Mandy this is factual stuff. It’s called Denial. Why do gay women date women who look like men use men toys to satify each other? They say gay people are affasinated with themselves, so they look for things they missing in them selves and they fulfill them with the same sex. It sounds logical.

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362 Matthew Temple August 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm

“No baby in the world was born with a sexual preference”. Thank you for making our argument. You really are astonishing under educated. Relax Vince it will all be over soon. We will win and be allowed to marry and you will lose. It doesn’t matter how much you scream and rant, how many names you call us or how much you pray and read your little book. God works in mysterious ways… That’s why there are Gay People…

PS: you said “They say gay people are affasinated with themselves” what does “affasinated” mean?

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363 vince August 10, 2011 at 12:07 pm

My mistake “fascinated” . So anyway,me saying that people are not born with a sexual preference means that through your development you learned right and wrong, nobody is born “knowing, or have the mental capacity to even understand what they are really feeling. People are attracted to many things , but to justify that as making a good decision, you have to be idiots. So if somebody says i was born gay, therefore I’m gay; is wrong, or either can’t admit to there choice of lifestyle, because they are embarrass of it. As human beings we all have rights, so if we fight,against it: so what! My question is how you feel so good about it when the country only wants to open the door for finance reasons, Not because its right?

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364 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:09 am

Ever heard of the oral stage? Anal stage? Oedipal stage? Sexual stages that every child goes through FROM BIRTH.

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365 Taylor Levin February 5, 2012 at 7:57 pm

Wow. I usually try my best not to say this, but this honestly tells me that YOU’RE the one with the mental disorder. “No baby in the world was born with a sexual preference.” Since its obvious you’ve never read a book, sorry to burst your bubble, but actually, they indeed are. You don’t CHOOSE who you want to fall in love with when you’re older. Either it happens, or it doesn’t. Please, learn something if you’re going to argue about this.

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366 Charnie June 2, 2011 at 12:20 pm

You can not answer a simple question? How are you heterosexual then? Did you decide to become heterosexual or were you born heterosexual? Simple question for your simple mind… you poor thing, hope you can manage to answer just that.

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367 Mandy June 2, 2011 at 11:16 pm

Its too simple even for his mind. Im done trying to talk to him. To dumb lol

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368 Vince June 3, 2011 at 8:41 am

Lol Again comprehend what you read “No baby is born with a sexual preference” so that means you learn in your development. Don’t attack me, because you mad and too stupid to evaluate your life. You still can’t answer nothing I asked you. Ok do you have a mom and a Daddy? How were you created ? So can both same genders have child? If so how and is it naturally good? Would you rather take meds over something natural that can cure you? Why is natural foods better than process foods? Yea you have the option to pick what you want, but you cant say they are equal. Lol the funny things is I know you know the truth but your feelings are so caught up in your lifestyle y’all become blind in reality. Even when it’s right in your face. You have the choice to do what y’all want to do. But when comes down to it, y’all are hurting yourselves, listen even if yall get equal rights, guess what y’all will still never be happy, because that’s not what brings happiness, it’s not until you are able to accept who you are naturally first as a women, because if not you have no real purpose on this earth. Not saying you don’t but that choice of lifestyle doesn’t have one at all, its just a group of people trying to prove they can do it backwards and as mankind we are going to suffer, the only reason the government is going to ok it, because they are going to use y’all for the money and bring the marriage rate up. So if you feel good about that then I’m sorry for you. They only considered y’all when we had a finacial problem. Wow you hate the truth, don’t you ?

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369 Mandy June 3, 2011 at 10:25 am

So wait y r u straight? Did u choose that? I didnt choose who i love. I dont love women to prove to the world i can. I do love women because thats who i am. Its not a disease or a disorder. I look at my life and say “im fucking happy with who i am, y do ppl have to try and fuck up wat im happy with?” My mother and mother r great ppl. Oh and i was born i wasnt created, just thought i would throw that in there. The reality is that ppl r ignorant. Have u ever had a real convo with a gay person? Where u werent fighting on sides? If i get married to my gf of 5 years, ill be the happiest person on this earth, y? because i love her with everything i have. She just brings pure joy into my life. I look at a man and they just gross me out. All hairy and shit. U know y the world is going to allow gay marriage? Because its right. They r finally seeing they cant pull us apart, they r learning to accept that ppl can love who they want and that it doesnt make them less of a person. We have the same rights as u because guess wat, this will really shock u, Im a person too. And last time i checked ppl have rights, ALL ppl do no matter who they love. Y dont u open ur eyes and accept the future of the world?

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370 Charnie June 3, 2011 at 11:36 am

Ok Mr. Simple-Mind a.k.a Vince. I’ve answered all your questions and yet you still have to answer mine. So wise-guy, when did you learn in your development you were heterosexual and not homosexual?

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371 Charnie June 3, 2011 at 11:40 am

Mandy– the simple man Vince still needs to learn and that’s perhaps his challenge in life and why he was set on this earth, is to learn this valuable lesson. To get angry at him just feeds to his ignorance. We were all given a brain to use it and unfortunately he is one of those that hasn’t learned how to yet. So, consider this for a moment–we might be here to try and teach him, if he doesn’t learn then we’ve done what we can and he will be a lost person (society’s zomby). Poor bugger, that’s all we can do.

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372 Mandy June 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm

He is very much a lost cause.

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373 Vince June 3, 2011 at 6:13 pm

Nice job Mandy avoiding my question lol Charnie look when you are a child you start to learn the difference between boys and girls, then you learn why, know you can grow up believeing what you want, but if you have a mommy and daddy in my (baby voice) that would seem more right then 2 women together. Why? as a kid I learned women carry babies, then as I got older I learned how they were created; not just born silly mandy that was really smart of you to say. in another phase I learned women can’t do the samething on there own, why? Lol They have the same body parts they can’t create babies they don’t again have the natural tools to make it happen. It’s easy to see that breast and vaginas are there for a purpose to create and develop children. So I guess yall wouldn’t call it commonsense, and guess what people do love each other but two gay people can’t build on there future; they can’t have children, but only with each other, we straight people gof more options; which means our purpose has a purpose to fight for if it wasn’t for us Mandy you wouldn’t be here therefore we are not equal. All y’all are is nasty and backwards looking for love in the wrong places. So go adopt a child or something or go find a man wow and use his seamen for a good purpose. Women and men are way stronger then two gay people the healthies children are raised by them. So do what you want. Y’all still suck, and worthless. So Charnie how about you start using your brain and stop relying on what you think or feel is right. So basically I learned I was a hetero as a child, why you haven’t learned about it yet

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374 Mandy June 3, 2011 at 7:38 pm

*face palms* My parents r gay. when i was adopted by my loving perents i couldnt be happier. My real mother and father were abusive. They beat the shit out of a baby and young child. Beat their children and believed in god lol perfect match up right? I was born to a family of fuck heads like u. Gay ppl may not be able to have their own children but they treat kids better then something like u would. I wouldnt be here if i stayed with my straight parents. I would be dead in a grave. U feel ur religion is right. U believe ur religion is right. U think ur religion is right. But have u ever read into ur own religion. Everything (holidays and all) was stolen from pagans. U have the most unoriginal religion on the face of this earth, also the most hypocritical. Read into ur own religion before u bash my lifestyle

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375 Vince June 3, 2011 at 10:15 pm

Well I’m Sorry to hear that, but that still doesn’t change that good parenting skills comes from a man and women. Plus you don’t know the bible so stop it. There are no such thing as perfect people so just because you come across people like yourself who knows the truth but still do what they want, You can’t stereotype a belief as a whole that speaks for everybody. Look do what you want justify your life stop trying attack my belief when my decision is not just based on my lifestyle or my opinion or belief . I’f you knew anything about Christianity it’s not a religion and it’s know were in the bible that says were perfect. But besides that you proved to me that there is yet a good argument that supports your lifestyle, besides looking for a pitty party and attacking people personally because proving the subject I’m done.

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376 Mandy June 3, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Funny how u wanna stop talking when i tell u wat ur religion really is. I know all about the bible. Being that i was raised in a Christian family. Funny right? Ya i thought so. I use to believe that god loved me and then i talk to ppl like u and i see wat this religion has turned into. U have no point pushing ur thought on ppl here. Ppl against gay marriage shouldnt be looking on this website. So plz do leave.

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377 kat November 10, 2011 at 1:02 pm

just becaus their gay doesnt mean they’ll not make good parents and just because their a man and a woman doesnt mean they’ll make good parents…good parenting comes from how they grew up not depending on what they are

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378 Vince June 3, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Lol wow again you don’t know the bible. So since you don’t believe in it why are so worried about it cause I’m not talking about it anymore let it go. You don’t know who you are. You can’t defend what you believe in. So this should be for people who have a good argument you was a waist of time. Now go bump and grind with your girlfriend or adopt a child or find a state were they allow you to get married you limited no purpose having , ignorant fool.

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379 Mandy June 3, 2011 at 11:39 pm

HAHA Hit a nerve. Btw learn to spell and learn ur grammer. I dont mind msn speak but even that doesnt come close. I would answer ur questions if u had a question mark. U ignored my questions. I seem to know the bible better then u. Ive defended wat i believe in. U just dont accept it because ur the ignorant one. And its sooo cute because im bi asshole. U jump to ur conclusion pretty fast lol. Learn ur shit then come talk to me sweet cheeks.

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380 grammar nazi June 7, 2011 at 9:00 am

“Btw learn to spell and learn ur grammer”

By the way, learn to spell and learn your grammar. You are a stupid hypocrite.

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381 grammar nazi June 7, 2011 at 9:00 am

grammar* hypocrite

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382 Andrea June 9, 2011 at 12:13 am

P.S.: Mandy, good luck to you and your gf if adoption is what you two are looking for! it sounds like you’ll be great parents. i couldn’t quite tell if that’s what you were up to, judging by your posts. remember, statistics show that gay couples tend to rear kids who are much more well-adjusted in life (ie: adequate salaries, higher IQ, excellent communicators, natural leaders, and overall just more successful.) the adoption agency knows that already, so knock ‘em dead!

as for some of these other people… i agree with charnie: some people will just always hate. unfortunately, that’s how it is. i guess it makes you appreciate the love in your life that much more.

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383 Christine June 14, 2011 at 2:02 pm

I just want to say, I love you’re reasoning :) You backed up you’re opinion very well. Whereas he just stated the same thing over and over again.

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384 Christine June 14, 2011 at 2:03 pm

I apologize for using ‘you’re’ instead of ‘your’ :)

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385 Mandy June 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm

Thank u

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386 fag hater June 7, 2011 at 9:00 am

gay is not the way!!!!! AIDS IS UPON US!!!!

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387 what what in the butt June 7, 2011 at 9:04 am

fuck u asshole. i am gay and proud of it. i have aids and so do all of my friends. we are going to die together

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388 i hate fags June 7, 2011 at 9:02 am

i want to piss on all gays faces because they should die

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389 Chas June 25, 2011 at 8:12 pm

You… want to give a golden shower to someone of the same gender?

Sure, that’ll make you look straight

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390 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:14 am

Hahahaha excellent.

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391 Tayshawn Childs March 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm

I’m gay and I might be a whole year late but still, how in the hell does that make any fucking sense. You’re straight and yet you want to take your dick out and piss all over gay guys’ faces? You’re an ignorant stupid homophobic disgusting vile rude ass being and seek help!

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392 Elise June 7, 2011 at 1:13 pm

Can I just say that this is all circumstantial– IF GOD IS real. You have no more proof of that than you do that he hates gays. So how about you worry about yourself, and let other people worry about themselves. What kind of Christian are you, to say what people can and can’t do? Isn’t that the lord’s job?
It’s been proven that people are BORN gay, they don’t BECOME gay. Sorry for being born with blue eyes. Sorry for being a female. You can’t apologize for what you are. Queers are here– get over it.

Any God that rejects love in any form is not a God that I support.

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393 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm

people arent born gay…they are born sinners..and some are born with the tendancy to want to be with the same sex….but that is not right. They give into their sin instead of saying no. why do you think same sex couples get aids? Because they werent designed to be together sexually.

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394 Alan December 3, 2011 at 12:02 am

People are born gay….OK, we’ve both expressed our opposing unsubstantiated opinions, so we’ve cancelled each other out — of course I could provide research staistics substantiating my statement, can you do the same? Now, to move on — you have yet to establish that being gay is a sin — I’m still waiting for that. As far as AIDS — are you aware that nearly 50% of the people in the world who are HIV positive are heterosexual? I guess they weren’t designed to be together sexually either, if your logic is really true.

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395 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm

YOU are going to have an excuse for everything I say..I know that you are wrong..I have studied the BIble and have talked to people that study theology. Believe what you want but please dont claim that you are a Christian…christians are Christ followers and are called to eximplify and proclaim him in all that they do and you arent doing that. I can give you an answer for the reasons heterosexual people get aids …most likely having sex with a bunch of different people which is also something God commands us not to do. He commands us to be in relationship with one person and to save sex for marriage…another thing people do not do and suffer because of it. Everytthing God tells us to live by in Scripture is good for us and when people do not live in that way they suffer and you can see that…look at this world…everyone lives for their own pleasure and does what they want…prime example of homo marriage..and you can see consequences from it. I know you are going to say different Alan which is why I am tired of trying to debate with you.

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396 Alan December 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm

Shelbie, you are welcome to end the debate at any time – simply stop posting on this site; but as long as you do, I will respond. Perhaps you have studied the Bible and talked to people that study theology, but so have I; it simply means that the people to whom you are talking ascribe to the same narrow view that you do. And, how dare you be so utterly presumptuous as to suggest that I am not a Christian. Yes, Christians are Christ followers. You really must open your mind to the fact that there is a very wide spectrum of beliefs among those who are followers of Christ – your tiny, narrow little path is not the only one. As far as sex outside of marriage, I don’t particularly care for your judgmental, finger-pointing stance on the issue, but I do happen to agree with the basic premise that promiscuity should be discouraged, for a variety of reasons, including good health as well as following Christian principles regarding human relationships. As soon as you do that, however, you are actually making a point in favor of gay marriage. By allowing someone who is gay to be married you are providing the avenue for them to enter into a binding, committed relationship – and isn’t that exactly what you want? Since I have shown that you cannot establish that homosexuality is a sin then the very next step, as a good Christian, is exactly what you propose: to allow gay marriage and then expect anyone and everyone, gay or straight, to refrain from sex except in marriage. So, thank you, Shelbie, for exactly making my point: that gay marriage should be allowed!

397 Ronnie June 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm

nathan is not a homophobe ass. you all talk about pushing beliefs on people then why are you guys doing it to other people. it says repent for your sins and you will go to heaven. how are you repenting from sin if you are in a same sex union. you are not. so why should we allow these unions if others don’t believe in it. that is them pushing the belief on me. i don’t agree with it nor do i want to see it. it is wrong in the bible so why should i accept it. just because they want to do it does not make it right. god did not make gays and lesbians that is a choice to be one. what is marriage a union between one man and one woman not the same sex. it also says that man shall not lay down with man and woman shall not lay down woman.

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398 Andrea June 8, 2011 at 11:56 pm

I agree: if you’re against gay marriage whatsoever, just leave already before we all out-smart-ass you.

For those of you looking to find something good to throw back in the “bible-thumpers” faces, check out this website: http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html some great points are made.

now, just for the hell of it… via bible logic, everyone but the jews are going to smitten by the wrath of Gd, so let’s allow ourselves to eat pork and shellfish, save the lamb sacrificing for hollywood, and keep our foreskin (yes, failing to do any of those is subject to abomination according to leviticus.) but let’s back up a bit, shall we? what does the text actually say? no, no, not it’s english translation. that’s your source of bias right there. the words in hebrew are a bit different. (kind of like the story of adam and eve; it was a pomegranate, not an apple. a pomegranate is said to have 613 seeds– the same number of laws in the talmud. go look it up.) the word that translates to “homosexual” in english can actually be translated as “eunuch” as well. eunuchs– for those of you who don’t know– were castrated men who guarded the women’s quarters of the royal family. like priests, they’re supposed to be not interested in sex so that the kingdom is successful. that doesn’t mean that they may not be interested in women. by the literal translation thus far, we get the commandment that heterosexual males should not have sex together. in particular, no man should have sex with a eunuch if one or both members are straight. well, okay, good! make sure both men are of consent. waitaminute… that would make them homosexual: attracted to another man. so, as long as no men are out there raping other men, we’re okay. (try not to rape the women either, please. let’s adapt some of that modern common sense into our lives.)

oh yeah, and don’t mix milk and meat…

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399 Chas June 24, 2011 at 2:19 pm

THAT IS THE SMARTEST COMMENT I HAVE SEEN, SO FAR.

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400 Christine June 14, 2011 at 1:46 pm

I’m pro gay marriage. Why shouldn’t a man be allowed to marry another man, or a woman marry another woman? It’s love. I was born like this, don’t say I wasn’t because why would I CHOOSE to be ridiculed and made fun of?

Also, please don’t quote the bible at me. Man wrote the bible, not God.

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401 Katie June 19, 2011 at 1:04 pm

I’ve only read a few comments and I’m sitting here with my jaw dropped. In what world do we live in when we have to quote pieces of paper to tell us what is right and what is wrong. I could write a book on killing goats and justify my murders by referring to that book. Seems crazy right? That is exactly what some people are doing.
It doesn’t matter if you believe in 1 God, 5 Gods, or no God, what’s right and what’s wrong is based on ethical principles, not moral ones. If you truly believe you have a case built up by a book that (previously mentioned) was rewritten and revised, and in the 1500′s it was picked at so they took out the parts people didn’t want. Quoting Corinthians, the phrase “homosexuals” was not even a word that man knew back then. We created it later when we started studying man.
Another point, since when is it ANYONE’S CONCERN AS TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WITH THEIR LIVES?…did you know that it’s legal to marry your partner in 5 states…while it’s legal to marry your COUSIN in 24 states? How do you justify that? Did “GOD” want us marrying our family? I don’t remember that in the Church Sermons on Sunday.
When someone can actually argue this topic with an INTELLECTUAL point that doesn’t fall back on a book or a “belief”….keep your mouth shut because you already lose.

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402 FACTS June 20, 2011 at 5:41 pm

If you put 100 straight couples on island and 100 gay couple on a island let them stay for 100 years on their islands and i tell you most of the same sex couples will die of diseases and straight couples will have kids and live on for century.

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403 Katie June 23, 2011 at 5:54 am

It’s AN island, and that’s absolutely 100% incorrect. No one lives on forever, definitely not because of their sexual orientation. You’re an idiot.

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404 Chas June 24, 2011 at 1:46 pm

Ok. Now that I have finished laughing my ass off, allow me to give YOU the real ~facts~.

Have you considered the ~fact~ that the offspring of said homosexuals might not decide that they “want to be straight”? Of course not, since you are obviously not thinking clearly.

In the case of disease, my dear, homosexuals do not receive a dsease as a reward for “deciding to not be straight”. I do believe disease comes from not being clean. Last I checked, those poor countries? Not simply filled with gay people. I believe they are too poor to afford being sanitary, therefore they have diseases.

Heterosexuals can be just as disgusting as homosexuals. Cheating? Yeah. I believe that is a SIN that most PEOPLE commit, IN GENERAL.

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405 Chas June 24, 2011 at 3:16 pm

of said heterosexuals*

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406 Josh June 21, 2011 at 10:34 am

‘The bible’ was written by atheists for political reasons.

Regardless of what you believe about ‘the bible’.

Here is what the US says about ‘the bible: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. That is the very first phrase of the Bill of Rights. It is as clear as any phrase can be. What it means is that anyone trying to use ‘the bible’, the quoran, the tora, the gita, the guru ganth, etc. should is in violation of US law.

It is particularly sad that any human (or any mammal for that matter) should base their morals on what is basically no different than a bad comic book.

Additionally, the passages that are against gays are basically (all but one which is vague at best) are from the ‘old testament’. The ‘old testament’ also states that you must kill anyone that works on the sabbath. It’s a vile, morally perverted work of fiction.

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407 Mandy June 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Josh, ur like my new best friend. Katie ur awesome. And Facts ur just plain ignorant

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408 Vince June 23, 2011 at 9:11 am

Wow……atheist for political reasons; now if that don’t sound stupid. Ya’ll still can’t prove why you believe its natural or even why you should share the same rights. The lifestyle you chose is called a subculture, and you live in a American dominate culture were social norms, Christianity, and proven what you believe in, is norm. It’s funny that you said you was bisexual to prove that you was somewhat right. lol But again you don’t have to bring the bible up to prove that homosexuals are human beings that justify their lifestyle on feelings. I don’t care how many people on here who has empathy for them. Feeling sad don’t make it ok. And by the way; the comment about homosexuals being on the same island makes logical since. It wouldnt even last; diseases by itself will kill them off, and that’s just one of them.

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409 Katie June 23, 2011 at 9:27 am

Your grammar is beyond sad, and your reasoning is nothing more than ignorant. When you can come up with a reasonable counterpoint, then express your opinion. Otherwise, your logic has no basis or evidence. Do explain with EVIDENCE your opinion on the island argument. I’d really like to know what makes you so sure.

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410 Katie June 23, 2011 at 9:34 am

Might I also add the stupidity of this argument, who the hell would live on an island for 100 years? And for a FACT, women live longer than men, so therefore if anyone did live long enough to exceed 100 years, it’ll most likely be women, homosexual, heterosexual (for you ignorant people, that means straight) or bisexual. I study people, I’m an anthropologist (again, to you ignorant people, it people that means I know about cultures and bones). Please impress me with your wise wise reasoning behind your hatred. Do take the time out from crystal meth and converse with me.

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411 FACTS June 23, 2011 at 12:05 pm

this not about god at all trying get that clear to you people this about life and man should never had sex with another man it just digusting an unmoral . And let me said this again 100 married straight couples on a island and put some 100 Lgbt Couple on a island i very very sure that straight couples will have kids not all of them but most them will and the Lgbt couples will just die off by diseases such aids and lack of reproductions . 100 percent the truth

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412 Katie June 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm

To say the straight people will have sex is chance, to say that they will live is chance, to say that gay people will catch aids is just as possibly as straight, and to say that they will die is equally as likely as the straight people. You are a complete idiot and there is nowhere on this Earth that can prove your reasoning. Plus, MORALS are religious based, so reread what you just put and please, stop talking. You lose.

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413 Ian June 24, 2011 at 7:55 pm

Actually facts, the 100 straight couples will contract diseases from the sailors who show up with gonorrhea and what not. When you actually go to college and you are exposed to the truth and not the crap they feed you in HS you will than find out that it is the heterosexuals that spread more aids and diseases than the homosexuals by cheating on one another. It is also a medical fact that the group with the least amount of diseases are lesbians. Most diseases are spread by heterosexual males who are committing adultery. So youngling, do research that is actual research instead of your opinion. If being gay is a choice so is being straight. Those who explore both choices are smarter, healthier and better adjusted in life by actually succeeding in life. They succeed in life because they are none judgmental of reality.

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414 Dess March 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm

You say it’s not about God but it’s unmoral. Where do you get your morals then? I thought morality came from God and the scriptures?

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415 FACTS June 23, 2011 at 1:27 pm

lgbt people want happiness but they also want to get married i dont see nothing wrong with that . Lgbt people want to change everything , first they change the army and next the school system , etc…

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416 FACTS June 23, 2011 at 1:31 pm

gay are confuse

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417 FACTS June 23, 2011 at 1:32 pm

gays are confuse

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418 Mandy June 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm

Everyone who supports gay marriage should friend this myyearbook page http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM0MzQ3MDcz

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419 Vince June 23, 2011 at 5:02 pm

Lol Kate you are really upset. I’m writing this off my phone, and attacking my grammar is not answering the problem, but since we are doing that; homosexuals are people who are attracted to the same gender sweetie. It’s wrong, they hate morals but they want moral things like haveing equal rights; that’s moral! Plus most people who are gay do attract aids faster and its common in that lifestyle. God says its wrong, doctors says its wrong, scientist says it wrong, academically its wrong; so why should we open this door when you can’t prove nothing?, but this is how you feel.

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420 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:22 am

You’re saying your argument has nothing to do with God. But your idea of moral came from the Bible, and then you make the point that “God says it’s wrong”. Credible doctors and scientests have actually said there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, look up your facts. As for academically, that doesn’t even make sense.

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421 Katie June 23, 2011 at 6:56 pm

If you’re talking to me, my name is Katie. Equal rights are not morals. Morals are messages conveyed or a lesson to be learned from a story or event. You’re just an ignorant person because you believe that everyone on this planet has to believe like you do. I don’t know of any doctors that say it is wrong not scientists and what the hell is academically wrong? I can prove a lot more than you can “sweetie” since you have blatantly skimmed over your list of unanswered claims. Do continue, but if you say the words “bible” and “God”, then you lose. Give me some concrete evidence other than YOUR religious opinion. Do you know how to debate? How to argue? I think they make classes for that. Maybe you could take a grammar class while you’re there.

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422 Vince June 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Nothing is wrong with my grammar. Lol You just mad at the simple fact that you can’t prove why anything I said was wrong. I would debate with you but you don’t know what a homosexual is, and why wanting to have equality is considered a moral act. Just like mandy you are a angry fool; who’s speaking out of anger, because you can’t have your way. Doctors always talk about the illnesses, from aids and yes they are at a higher risk, including other transmitted diseases, Scientist and philosophers always prove that it doesn’t add up, and that’s why its unnatural and unhealthy. In todays world people are going natural more often, from foods to having babies, not because it feels like the right thing to do it is and it makes logical and reasonable since and don’t forget healthier.

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423 Chas June 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm

You say nothing is wrong with your grammar?

Since = s-e-n-s-e
You just mad = You’re just ANGRY. “Mad” defines insanity. Also, “Lol” is not a word to use in a sentence. This is not a freakin’ chatroom. :B

~SWEETY~, you should spend a little more time ~thinking~. You know, that thing that probably makes your poor little brain hurt? ;)

It’s adorable how ignorant you are~

Do you truly not keep yourself updated? The whole gay men=AIDs? Old news. EVERYONE can get AIDs, because we are generally unclean.

Wake the fuck up and smell the motherfucking NEW Testament, you ignorant redneck.

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424 Mandy June 24, 2011 at 3:40 pm

No matter what we say to this ignorant man, he will never understand how wrong he is.

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425 Mandy June 24, 2011 at 3:43 pm

Oh Vince. Attacking me again are we? I have proved you wrong you just refuse to see the truth. You have no facts what so ever that prove you right. If you dont like my life style, if you dont like the life styles of other people, fuck right the hell off and die in your hole of ignorance.

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426 Vince June 24, 2011 at 5:18 pm

Sorry confused mandy, tell you uneducated friend to try again. I used the word since correctly, I’m writing it just the way I want you to take it, “you insane fool” lol plus ignorant defines you, with your dogmatic ignorance. Both of you can’t prove nothing, but attack people who don’t agree with you; that’s weak and worthless of a good argument. Miss Homosexuals means straight lol you so smart your dumb. O yea man-dy shut your gay ass up and I’m out.

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427 Mandy June 24, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Awww see, you do nothing but insult me because im right. But please do go back to school. You have proved nothing to me besides the fact that you can try to insult me. I find it rather cute that youre so uncomfortable in this world that you need to insult someone with a higher IQ just because I am bi and you dont agree with it. I hope you noticed your major fail. Since when did homosexual mean straight? You really need to learn something before you post on here again, sweetie pie. I could point out more mistakes but that would only prove that i have more brain power then you. Have a nice night :D

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428 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:27 am

*Mandy, *your, *can’t prove anything, *not a good argument, *you’re so smart, *you’re dumb, *yeah, *Man-dy.
You didn’t make it through junior high English class did you.

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429 Vince June 25, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Lol your friend Katie said that, first of all. She said ” homosexuals are straight people not gay people”. I’m smarting then you think mandy. I’m not on here to be academically correct, we could go over some of the comments you and others have written as well, but its not necessary. Katie said you can’t spell sweetie that way, so I guess your ignorant aswell.

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430 Chas June 25, 2011 at 8:00 pm

Wow, your dick must be the size of a number 2 pencil, the way you get your panties in a wad. Either you have the maturity of a 12-year-old boy… or you ARE a 12-year-old boy.

It’s cool, though, right? ‘Cause you are “smarting then” we think?

I am an English tutor and it is s-e-n-s-e. You cannot just DECIDE how to spell a word, then call it correct. The dictionary is not Burger King, so you can’t “have it your way”.

You cannot make fun of someone else and their lifestyle, then expect nobody to make fun of you.

By the way, Man-dy is a joke that a 10-year-old would make, pencil dick.

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431 chloe September 15, 2011 at 12:28 am

Chas… I love you :P

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432 Mandy June 25, 2011 at 8:35 pm

Oh god, so many things i could say right now. Ill spare my words for someone who can make a real agrument.

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433 Vince June 26, 2011 at 7:25 am

Yup I am chaz, sorry I didn’t proof read, but when your writing on your mobile phone it has the tendency to write words differently so big deal you got the message obviously lol Again I used the word (since) correct, so get of my dick for awhile; and if you are one of theses homosexuals on her don’t be put any images about my dick in your head, you fagget. Plus your last sentence is not clear! you so called English teacher , I think you should revise it so it can make logical sense lol ….your to funny.

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434 Chas June 27, 2011 at 1:11 am

That is a sad excuse, seeing as I am using a mobile phone that I’m unfamiliar with. There is no excuse for laziness. Grow up. Accept your shortcomings and mistakes. Your words and logic?

Oh, your pea-size brain couldn’t register a simple sentence? Or was that simply your attempt at insulting me? Bitch, I KNOW my grammar. I do not lack the S-E-N-S-E required to pick up a textbook. Do you need me to define “sense” for you, sweetheart?

How about “insecurity”, “paranoia”, or “attention to detail”? Maybe learning those words could assist you, Vinny-boy.

So, do you have some sort of fantasy we need to know about?

You seek out a GAY forum, waste time insulting GAY people… On top of it all, you scream OMG “fagget” (it is FAGGOT, by the way, dear) at me and just ASSUME that I am some weird gay man… that gets his jollies off by thinking of straight man penis.

You can stop flattering yourself, with an idiotic smile on your face, shit-for-brains. Why don’t you just come out of the closet, already?

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435 Vince June 26, 2011 at 7:27 am

Putting and here lol

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436 Chas June 27, 2011 at 8:06 pm

Last I checked, none of the gay people here are on a homophobia forum. Last I checked, it is the homophobes that are on here SPECIFICALLY TO ATTACK THE GAY PEOPLE. So, perhaps you could stop pretending that you are, in any way, innocent.

Also, sweetheart, I do not have a DICK swinging between my legs. There is no “z” in my name. It could be called sexist, that you ASSUMED that I am a man.

Sexist, homophobic, ignorant… Gee, you really have a lot going for you, champ.

Your mommy really popped out a winner.

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437 Vince June 27, 2011 at 8:11 pm

Yea Chaz your gay, fagget is the slang word for faggot dumb ass. Maybe words like self-concept and self-image and low self-esteem is something you should consider since my perception of you (fag) makes you so upset. It’s funny how when somebody disagrees with ya’ll lifestyle It’s ok to attack us, but when we do the same, were being immature and disrespectful. So chaz you can shove that bullshit the same place were you choose to shove things that don’t belong.

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438 Chas June 27, 2011 at 8:19 pm

This is what I was replying to. Figured you chickened out… which would not have surprised me in the least.

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439 Unknown June 27, 2011 at 9:10 pm

I believe that same sex marriage should not be opposed no matter what the situation is. I strongly believe that god made Adam and Eve for a perfectly good reason and that reason was to populate the earth and by allowing gay marriage would only mean trouble and less chance of increasing our human raise. Marriage is a religious rites, therefore gay marriage is a sin…

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440 Taylor Levin February 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm

But why make more people when enough are left up for adoption, suffering, homeless, or otherwise? Why make more people when there’s already more than the earth can handle? And how is allowing gay marriage trouble? Just what happens when a man and a man join hands, or a woman and a woman, that could be defined as trouble? Seriously, do some research before spouting worthless nonsense.

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441 Allie June 29, 2011 at 7:04 am

Seriously? An internet arguement? There’s really no point in verbally attacking one another over something that we all have different opinions on.

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442 Joe Sperling July 6, 2011 at 8:05 am

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443 Leo July 25, 2011 at 9:11 pm

I love the people who comment on this article as if they know everything when they can’t even spell correctly.
I am all for gay marriage. I also believe that religions are good because they give you something to believe in outside of this wretched world of ours. I haven’t had a religion recently but at least they give people hope. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe in a God though. But believing in God and reading the bible doesn’t mean you have to have hatred towards homosexuals. Many religous people say homosexuals are dirty and lustful but one of my closest friends has been in love with his boyfriend for two years. They have not had sex, yet. They are saving it for marriage. They don’t go around making out in public or groping eachother. They are simply in love. Yes, the bible says lusting is a sin, but, it never says loving is a sin. Food for thought..

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444 Vince August 1, 2011 at 2:03 am

I don’t hate homosexuals, I just disagree with their lifestyles. I also have understanding that maybe its something that can’t be easily controlled. So do God love them as much as he Love’s me? yes! OK But if you are a firm believer you understand that the bible was not created so people can bend the rules, or even so that you can do whatever feels right to you. We learn in are everyday life that “what we Feel doesn’t validate whats right in life”, and in the bible this is called self righteousness. Basically this is people that make decisions more on what they feel then what is factual or simply what they know in general. You can love anybody, but when sex or even lustful desires are there its a sin, and if its the same sex, God See’s it as disgusting and calls it abomination. I believe homosexuals are limited in life, their consequences for there actions are dangerous and never really fulfilled, because without the government; that is obviously using the gay society for economic reasons and new technology, what could they do on their own. I mean how can you not question these things, what about your organs and their purposes?, why don’t they have any purpose besides make you, again FEEL good which is temporary. Like I said homosexuals can do and live anyway they want, but don’t deny the truth. You don’t have to believe in God to evaluate yourself. And for those that do believe that God will forgive anybody that continues to commit the same sin is Wrong! you have to admit your wrong then stop it completely for God to forgive you. Its called repentance’s- means feeling regret and committing to never to doing it again.(Acts 3:19) Repent , then turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the lord. So LEO its called sympathy not logic, you can’t sugarcoat everything. LOL God is not going forgive them for not having sex, that’s hilarious ha ha ha ha. No offense I see know why you would agree with it. Question why do all the homosexuals when in a debate, they never have any logical explanation, its always because it feels right?, I bet nobody on here can answer that question, but I bet you can attack me instead of answering the question, prove me wrong. ANYBODY

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445 Taylor Levin February 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm

Who cares if God forgives them or not? If you’re with the one you truly love, then nothing more should matter than you are happy with who you’re with. And why can they not give any logical explanation? How can you logically explain how you feel for another person? Without saying “because it’s God’s will” or something. There’s nothing more to explain than because its just how you feel, and it is what feels right to you at the moment. Perhaps they’ll change later, but most likely not. You can’t ask someone WHY they love someone. I don’t know WHY I love my boyfriend, other than the fact that he has a wonderful personality and is a great person to be around. I just do, it’s just how I feel for him. In the beginning, I didn’t even want to fall in love with him at first because he was showing signs of loving someone else, and wasn’t local, and I didn’t want to get hurt again. But as I talked to him more, I couldn’t help it. I fell in love, and its just what happened. No one told me that I had to, no one said that I would go to hell if I didn’t fall in love with who they wanted me to. There really is no logical explanation for love. Sorry.

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446 Michelle August 1, 2011 at 8:18 am

I am not a very religous person but I will share a bit of my experience in life. I was always raised in a christian home. I learned of the bible from my family as well as the churches that I went to. I was married for 5 years and had a child. Marriage is supposed to be forever. That is what I had in mind for all intents and purposes. That is not how my life unraveled. All my life I had thoughts of women and being with them I just did nothing of the sort. Eventually, my life became unglued and my marriage was no longer. It was not because I was Gay it was because neither of us were happy in our relationship. Eventually I came to realize who I was and that ..yes I loved women over being with men. It is not a choice that I have. It is only part of who I am. I am a wonderful, God fearing woman. I have my struggles like everyone else. My sins are not greater or less than yours. In the bible it does clearly state that one sin is not greater than the other. So your little white lies, or your coveting anything of anyone elses things are just as severe as my being in love with a woman. You people talk about following the word of God to the T but the bible states that women should be placed in an unclean place during their periods. Tell me when was the last time women were placed anywhere for this reason. Or honor the Sabbath…..The sabbath is originally on Friday sundown till Saturday sundown. But because this was an inconvinience to many it was changed to Sunday to accomadate many religions. I’ve actually done studies on this. It was a social change not anything that was religous based. So do not judge for you yourselves sin. Worry about your relationship with God and I will worry about mine.

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447 vince August 1, 2011 at 11:42 am

Abomination do not sound like God has sympathy for your own choice of lifestyle. A sin is a sin whether gay or not. Me wanting to have more than one girl friend is a choice, so therefore since I feel like its ok to do it; it must be right. No!! . Everybody has consequence for there actions. but sin do carry different consequences right, so all sins are not the same; but is judged the same through God. If you rob a bank, and I take a quarter from my wife dresser my consequence is far from being as equal as yours in the time you do in jail. If me and my wife wanted children, and two women wanted children the consequence are not the same, because your taking a risk either its adopting or you have to see a doctor to help you out. So my question is again how can you base a decision just on how you feel ? Again can somebody explain that. One philosopher said whats the point of life without evaluation? Religiously or not; you have a brain why not use it to its fool potential. All I can think is you base decisions In your life on how you feel including your body; which is a dangerous move.

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448 Alana August 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm

To anyone who says same sex marriage is wrong because the bible says it’s immoral…well not everyone is religious and reads the damn bible!! If your against it then it’s not any of your business, is it? You’re not in that persons shoes, so let them live their life the way they want to. A relationship is between two people and guess what, you’re not in it. I think love is beautiful and same sex marriage makes the world more diverse. Love should have no restrictions.

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449 vince August 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm

People can do whatever they want and yes its their choice. The thing about choice is that everybody has one; and not all choices are good ones eithier. So how do we evaluate these choices that we stand strong bye. To me homosexuality is not a better good, it lacks purpose in every category, and most of the affects are natural, that’s why people don’t agree with it. The bible informs us the truth, but our own experience makes it factual.

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450 vince August 5, 2011 at 6:46 pm

I can’t wait until people start wanting to marry their animals, and then animal protesters start going crazy.

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451 Venus August 9, 2011 at 12:35 am

I am a lesbian
I KNOW what and who I want.
This is our life, and others are disrupting it.

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452 vince August 9, 2011 at 1:42 pm

What if what you like and want affects their culture? Do you believe that its fair for people to change what you believe in to satisfy what you feel is right. if we don’t force what we believe on you and try to change your culture or whatever path you choose to follow, why do it to us? Why not create your own philosophy, because this is a dominate Christian country. So if anybody should feel like they are being disrupted it should be us. So I hope you understand we have rights just like you and respectfully we will fight for for it.

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453 Theseus September 7, 2011 at 4:03 am

You can’t control the culture my friend. That never was your right or anyone else’s. Feel free to defend your stance against gay marriage, of course. You have the right to do that, but eventually the culture will shift as more and more people emerge from the oppressive darkness of religion and see reality for what is: a certain percentage of humans have always been and will always be gay. And there’s nothing harmful about letting them marry. The culture will change, just as it has in the past. So pray to your middle eastern god Yahweh, try to find meaning in your book of mythology, cherry pick which commandments you will keep and which you will rationalize away and keep believing that your half-man, half-god Jesus will make everything better but don’t force other people to do the same. And don’t get upset when the day comes when the majority of Americans support gay marriage and your precious culture isn’t the way you want it. This is a democratic republic, not a theocratic mob-ocracy based on biblical law.

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454 Noel October 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm

Homosexuals getting married has nothing to do with you, unless you decide to concern yourself with it. And they’re not trying to ruin your “culture” they’re trying to attain equality and fair treatment. Why should some people get more rights than others, just because of who they love? Believe me, the last thing I want to do is undermine the beliefs of others, but I believe that civil treatment to other human beings is more important than culture or tradition.

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455 vince September 9, 2011 at 9:54 am

If any thing religion will be forced out, only to satisfy a small percentage of people to compete and to help the economy. The word Gay is bigger then the community of gay people. Out of all the states in America there are only 5 states that except gay marriage. Look if gay people want to live a limited life go head enjoy! We are not trying to force nothing, we are the ones defending not only are beliefs, but the natural thing that created this country. Pleases tell me you don’t think the only people who believe in this is Christian. You can find gay people who don’t approve of the marriage at all, and o yea they believe in God too silly. Trust me gay rights do more harm then any religion does.

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456 Shawn :) September 13, 2011 at 2:32 am

For all who are saying the Bible isnt against gays, I think you should actually pick up that fucking book of fiction and read it. Here are 2 Examples for you:

1) Leviticus 18:22:
“You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination.”

2) Leviticus 20:13:
“If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death.”

Oh wait here is more for your viewing pleasure:

Genesis 19:5:
“Bring them out to us that we may know them.”

Romans 1:26-27:
“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions: for their women exchanged the natural use for that which is against nature. And in the same way also the men abandoned the natural use of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”
:D

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457 Alan October 13, 2011 at 9:41 pm

Shawn, since you’re referring to the Bible as a “fucking book of fiction” I’m guessing that you stand on the side against anyone using the Bible for the defense of their position. I could respond to some of the others who have cited the Bible, but you have conveniently put out, in one place, 4 of the 6 scripture passages that are used against homosexuality. Thank you for that.

1) Leviticus 18:22. The problem with this passage is that the original Hebrew cannot be translated into good English without inserting words. Translated literally, the original Hebrew says, “And with male not lie down beds woman”. Just adding even a few English articles and prepositions, it becomes, “And with a male you shall not lie down in the beds of a woman” or “in a woman’s bed”. Many scholars suggest that it is a prohibition against either (1) having sex with another man in any woman’s bed, potentially spilling semen and defiling the bed; (2) having sex in your wife’s bed, since the word for “woman” is a Hebrew word referring to a “married woman,” or wife, which would make it yet another prohibition against adultery (which makes sense, considering all the other Hebrew laws against adultery); or (3) since the word for “a male” refers to a man who has been dedicated to a pagan temple, having sex as part of a pagan ritual, which also makes sense since this passage is in the midst of other prohibitions against pagan ritual practices. In any case, beginning with the original Hebrew, a definitive case cannot be made for this passage as being an absolute prohibition against homosexual sex, so it must be set aside.

2) Leviticus 20:13. Lev. 20 is simply a repeat of most of Lev. 18, with the penalties attached. Since Lev. 20:13 is basically a repeat of Lev. 18:22, since 18:22 must be set aside, so must 20:13.

3) “Bring them out to us so that we may know them.” Here you are quoting from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. An examination of the historical, cultural, and language context it can very easily be shown that this passage has nothing to do with homosexuality. If you look at the chapters preceding this passage, you will see that Sodom and Gomorrah, along with 2 other cities, were in a war against another group of 5 cities. During that war Lot, Abraham’s nephew, who was living in Sodom, was taken captive by Sodom’s enemies. Abraham sent 300 of his him and helped Sodom defeat their enemies, while rescuing his nephew. Thus they are just licking their wounds from a war when they learn that there are two strangers in Lot’s house. They’re suspicious enough of Lot, referring to him as a foreigner, and likely wonder what kind of deal he might have made with their enemies while he was held by them. They do not know that the two strangers in Lot’s house are angels from God and, suspecting they might be spies, they demand “Bring them out to us so that we may know them.” The word “know” in this case refers to wanting to interrogate them and find out who they are, not in the carnal sense of having sex with them. There is much more that can be said, about how the Hebrew word “yada” (to know) is and isn’t used in the Bible, what is and isn’t said in reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in later references to those cities and their sins (with none of those references alluding to homosexuality), what the “sin of Sodom” probably really was, and how the phrase you cite became the basis for using the Bible against homosexuality, but I will leave it here.

4) Romans 1:26-27. Here again, an examination of the context of this passage reveals that it has nothing to do with homosexuality, at least as defined as a loving relationship between two people of the same sex. Throughout Romans 1, Paul is preaching against taking part in pagan ritual practices; he was speaking to Romans, where these practices were common, but he was telling them to turn away from them if they were to follow Christ. These pagan practices included having sex in one of the temples, including men with men, women with women, and men with women, depending upon the temple and the Roman god to whom it was dedicated. We also know that homosexual companionship was well known in Rome and there was specific language used to refer to it. If Paul were really intent on condemning homosexuality, he would have used that specific language, which would have been understood clearly by the Romans, but he does not.

It all comes down to this: There is NO passage in the Bible that establishes a clear, definitive, and indisputable condemnation of homosexuality. Those trying to use the Bible against homosexuality are mis-translating and mis-interpreting scriptures either unintentionally, just following what others have told them, or, sometimes, intentionally to serve their own purposes.

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458 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:26 pm

GOd gave them over to their passions because He tried so many times to help them and they denied him! HE tries so many times and HE is so good and SO many people dont recognize that. PLease do not misread Scripture..that is what you are doing here.

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459 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:30 pm

We’ve been down this road….I’ve responded to that…move on to something new.

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460 Lokkabrena Astoria Dogstar September 13, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Is it hurting any one? No. Pursuit of happiness…. God.

I’m christian and support it.

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461 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm

you cant claim to be a Christian if you support this Im sorry. Read the Bible. BEing a Christian is being totally commited to Christ and living for him, DENYING your DESIRES for HIS. DENY the desire to BE GAY!

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462 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm

and the reasons you support it! ITS SO SELFISH!

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463 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Aha! Another Christian who supports gay marriage! We’re surrounding you now, Shelbie!

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464 Yarn Bomber September 14, 2011 at 10:48 am

Jesus said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

My uber-Christian forefathers walked hundreds of miles across the desert so they could practice polygamy, sometimes with children. My GGGrandmother was 14 when she had my GGrandfather. She was the third sister-wife.

In my own family, we are polyamorous, and many of us are bisexual. Some of us are even legally married. We are based on respect and love. Our inviolable rules are Safe, Sane, and Consensual.

@ Christian family dinner, they were discussing gay marriage, and at one point, my mouth got ahead of me. I said, “Do you really think it would make one damn bit of difference if Johnny (my husband) were Janie? He/She would be the same person! I don’t care what plumbing he/she has– I love this wonderful person.”

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465 Iwouldtakeitfromjesus September 15, 2011 at 12:24 am

I believe if Jesus was still around today, he would want gays to be married. If he was at MY wedding, I would take it from him, his entire peener in my corn-hole. Everyone there would have a good time. But Jesus is wrong! If gays are allowed to get married then Nazis will roam the earth on T-rexs and fire will rain from the sky.

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466 chloe September 16, 2011 at 6:44 pm

I love you so much. XD

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467 Brandon September 20, 2011 at 9:33 pm

OOOO… you make me sooo pissed off. YOU don’t even know what your talking about, “if Jesus was still around today, he would want gays to be married.” I believe he would try and change your minds, but would fail and then deem it necessary to wipe all homosexuals from the face of the earth. You’re so oblivious to the truth that you make up lies. I’m writing an informative essay for my college and most of the sites/books/articles/interviews I look at are religious based, mainly Christian related. Sure, we have freedom of religion, but that doesn’t mean that you have the same right to marry. Show me where in your Religion that states marriage was there. Show me where you see marriage as a right. Show me where it says its alright to be sexually active with the same sex! SHOW ME NOW!!! No culture will have outboast that homosexuals should be allowed to marry. It’s an abomination and I believe that it should not be allowed to proceed any further.

ps. that’s my opinion, you are obligated to yours to.

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468 vince September 22, 2011 at 4:49 pm

That’s not an opinion that’s the truth. Good point!

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469 kendall September 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm

hey this whole nonsense about god saying its not right yadada. well most of my family is christian , yet we except whomever you are . gay or straight its funny how people are saying you shall go to hell because you are gay because god says no but yet we have certain freedom as well from him, to me its alot of nonsense. if god didnt want people to be gay why should he make peoples brains to think in that way. why would he send them to hell for being gay , if there allowed to have rights and freedom to be who they want to be , gods going back on his word if he isnt accepting and loving to all his children no matter what they may be, who you love is who you love and gay marriage should be legal , when you have a certain connection with someone its hard to find anywhere else and for someone to tell you , no your not allowed to get married cause we dont like it is completely wrong.

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470 vince September 16, 2011 at 11:37 pm

That’s because your family loves you, but trust me they don’t accept it, but have understanding for it. It’s hard like every challenge we as human beings face each and everyday; so therefore its no difference for gay people. I’m not judging a person but a lifestyle there is a difference.

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471 Morghan September 29, 2011 at 12:10 pm

I’m bi too and I can’t wait for when same sex marriage is made legal everywhere

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472 Amanda October 12, 2011 at 4:39 pm

you make me sick

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473 Taylor Levin February 5, 2012 at 8:16 pm

And you, Amanda, make ME sick :/

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474 Kbbbbbb October 2, 2011 at 8:56 pm

Vince, Vince, Vince..you truely are close minded. I believe in God 100%, and i’ve gone to church my whole life..and i’m a female who is with and in love with a girl. I’m not happy with guys…so lesbians are supposed to live their lives with a guy even if they are not happy? Shame on all of you for saying Gays, Lesbians, Bi or Transgender’s are wrong for what they feel. Does it ever occur to you that IF it is a sin to be in love or be in a relationship with the same-sex it’s not the same for everyone else who sins everyday, sining knowingly..doing things that they know are wrong. But God forgives everyone else for their sins besides gay people?Do you cut your hair, do you shave your face, do you have any piercings..any tattoos? have you had sex before marriage. i’m pretty sure you’ve done most of these things willingly. :)Times are changing my friend, and your close minded ass is going to get left behind. you’re quickly going to be a minority when it comes to people that are for same-sex marriage. I do believe God would want all of his children to be happy and live their lives however it makes them happy.

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475 vince October 3, 2011 at 6:12 pm

There are good changes and bad changes, this type of change does nothing for our human race; except compete with other nations economically, and marriage growth. It’s nothing wrong with loving somebody of the same sex or whatever you choose to love, but having sex is not the same thing,. Loving somebody is normal, having sex with somebody based on a feeling shows how weak an individual is mentally, because denial becomes your best friend and ignorance. Yes there are homosexual people, just like there are people who are born with disabilities. So just to let you know the bible never says loving is wrong, but having sex is totally different ,so to me that tells Me homosexuals deal with mental issues that won’t let them accept reality even when they read it for themselves or see it. The main reason for sex is procreation then its for pleasure. I don’t have to argue that gay people can’t make children they know that, they can see it and experienced it. so what else do you need when you can experience it for yourself therefore anybody who makes decisions based on feelings are lost and confused and
mentally challenged; and I dont mean that in a disrespectful way.

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476 rubyjasminnne. October 15, 2011 at 7:24 am

ookay, i personally think all this “sin” talk is ridiculous. you believe in God, you believe homosexuality is a sin, great. we’re all happy for you. but if someone else doesn’t believe in God, is someone else supports homosexuality, then quit preachin’ to ‘em. i personally am not Christian, and when i try to support my homosexual friends, i get attacked by all my Christian friends and it’s like i’m in church. my friend is gay, and he is absolutely miserable because all you people do is judge his lifestyle and tell him constantly that it’s a sin. leave homosexuals alone, they’re just like you, they just don’t have your beliefs. learn to respect the fact that Christianity is NOT the only religion out there, and that you can’t push your beliefs on someone else.

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477 speechlesslesbian November 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Very well said!! Might I emphasize LEARN TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT CHRISTIANITY IS NOT THE ONLY RELIGION OUT THERE, AND THAT YOU CANT PUSH YOUR BELIEFS ON SOMEONE ELSE.

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478 petr October 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm

people are abusing religion when they say that its agaisnt the bble therefore it shouldnt be legal, and what the hell does it matter? people should be allowed to be happy- gay or not

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479 justanotherdyke October 23, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Hmmmmmm… does it not say in the bible that we are all created equally, and in the image and likeness of God?? I am a proud, open-minded, strongly opinionated, Lesbian!! Raised Catholic I believe in God but i dont believe that i will be sent to hell for doing what Jesus Christ himself has preached about.. he preached to love thy neighbor and to do unto others what you would have others do unto you (Matthew 7;12) no one is better then me and i am no better then anyone else…. if you are straight and you have a family you love that family with all that you are.. since im gay why shouldnt i be allowed to do the same? I love, I feel, I voted, I pay taxes, I work hard for what I have.. so how are we so different? I think the Beetles said it best when i say ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE!!!!!

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480 Rosa_Cubana November 4, 2011 at 2:38 pm

i really like your out look im bi and in happy to say it i dnt hide it. when people say to me “well what you going to do whn you want to have kids and dnt you know your going to hell for this or and my fav “so how does it wrk i men like how do you fuck u dnt have dick so it cant wrk. she will just look for some dick there is no way in hell you can make a grl cum” i really hate it but what you as is so right. god says he loves everyone so that also says god love the gay, les, bi, and my fav tans. he loves us all so why wld he send us to hell. we are all his kids.m/ :)

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481 Addie White October 30, 2011 at 12:26 am

I was born and raised Catholic. I grew up going to a private Catholic school for 9 years. Within my early life, I was raised to recognize that being gay, lesbian, transgender, or pan-sexual was sinful. Then when I was about 10, I found out that my older brother was gay. At first I was hesitant on accepting him, but came to realize that you can’t go through life being hateful towards anyone, despite who they may be. I will always love my brother. He has now been with the same man for 10 years, they stay true to each other and they love each other. I completely understand where some people are coming from. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fighting with each other doesn’t solve anything, both sides included. For the purposes of same sex marriages, I look at it with the perspective that even though I may disagree with it, it doesn’t entitle me to shove my beliefs onto others. Isn’t our country built on the belief that religion shouldn’t be a factor in deciding laws? So whether or not someone has a belief in God, that shouldn’t be a factor when trying to pass laws. As a religious person, I always pride myself on the fact that I truly believe in loving everyone of God’s creations, including gay, lesbian, transgender, and pan-sexual people. Everyone is entitled to their own lifestyle, just like religion. Would you like it if the government said you couldn’t belong to a place or worship just because the majority of the country was atheist, and those atheists said that anything relating to God was false, and because of that, they don’t believe your beliefs are valid? That is what the hateful people are doing. Because the majority of America is Christian, or a religion closely related, they are practically shoving their beliefs onto others and saying the gay population isn’t valid. Open your hearts! That is what God really wants us to do. If you truly believe in God, then you should make the decision making to him. In the end, we will be judged by him, not you! So stop making good Christians look bad. Let others be free from the restraints of religion. Religion is a personal choice, just as much so as choosing to be gay.

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482 JustAnotherGuy October 31, 2011 at 8:45 pm

For all the religious people saying that gay marriage is wrong or that being gay is a sin. I would like to point out that the bible says that shellfish is an abomination. On top of that there are many stories and books of the bible that were removed by people, not god. This means that obviously the bible has been edited by people hundreds of years ago that were definitely not as smart as we are now. SO WHY LISTEN TO IT! Especially when it is oppressing a group of people. Don’t you all think it would be beneficial for gay people to stop being gay? Especially when so many were killed or oppressed for being gay?
using a religion to back up your fear and cowardice as ‘Godly work’ makes me sick.

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483 Rosa_Cubana November 4, 2011 at 2:11 pm

im bi and i hate how people judge us cause of that its not right. If you love a girl and your a girl as long as your happy it shouldnt matter and the same thing goes for the guys. love is powerful in any way you put it. so fuck all the people who say its wrong

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484 Kelley November 4, 2011 at 4:46 pm

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
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- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
…………………..does that mean everyone is going to hell?

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485 Kelley November 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
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- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
…………………..does that mean everyone is going to hell? I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE!

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486 Alan November 4, 2011 at 10:50 pm

This is always an interesting passage to choose as being anti-gay, particularly when someone quotes a version of the Bible using the words “homosexuals” and “sodomites.” Neither of those words would have existed at the time of Paul, so any translation using them is someone’s interpretation and not a precise translation. The word “homosexual” didn’t exist until the late nineteenth century; the word “sodomite” has been around longer, but didn’t exist in a form applied to homosexual acts until the fourth century, still long after Paul. The two Greek words Paul used, that are translated as “homosexual” and “sodomite” were “malakoi” and “aresnokotai”. “Malakoi” can be translated as “soft” or “fine” in reference to clothing; it could also mean “pliable” which could hen allow it to be interpreted as “loose morals,” implying unethical behavior. Stretching it in any way to mean “homosexual” is intentional interpretation, not translation. “Arsenokotai” is made of the parts “arsen” (man) and “kotai” (beds). Some authorities believe it refers to male prostitutes with female customers, which was a common practice in Paul’s time. Other writings suggest the term refers to economic exploitation by means of sex, which could also include pimps as well as prostitutes working for them. All of this comes down to a simple fact: there is no passage in the Bible that irrefutably declares that homosexuality is wrong or a sin. Anyone who tries to use the Bible to do so is forcing meanings into passages where those meanings do not exist.

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487 mE November 4, 2011 at 4:54 pm

the bible is fake, it was written by a guy, not by god. i hate christians because they always push their beliefs on other people. if u are a christian and reading this, then i say to you…get off ur high horse and open ur eyes for once, just because gays are happy and your not doesn’t mean u have to try to make them as miserable as u. maybe u should go to your doctors and get a prescription for some Prozac so maybe you will be happy, then the world would be a happier place

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488 vince November 5, 2011 at 8:48 am

Christians are sharing their opinions, not forcing it on you, if their judging anything it would be the lifestyle not the person. The actions of the sin can be judged, I haven’t read any comments yet that you are going to hell, but only from homosexuals. Some of ya’ll have insecurity issues and are weak individuals. If the lifestyle was so great why isn’t it excepted all over the world.

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489 Alan November 5, 2011 at 9:40 am

Vince, there are several points in your comment that call for a response. First, there is no such thing as a “homosexual lifestyle.” The word “lifestyle” is defined as “a way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group.” This refers to the kind of house you live in, the clothes you wear, or the car you drive, among other material things. Homosexuality is not based on “atittudes” or “values” but rather on sexuality. Within the homosexual population there are a number of lifestyles. Those who are anti-gay like using the word “lifestyle” in relation to homosexuality as it implies choice; there are choices made within the gay population, such as whether or not to join together as permanent partners, but the bottom line of homosexuality itself is that it is inborn as one’s sexuality. Second, by using the phrase “the actions of the sin can be judged” you are implying that homosexuality is a sin. As I have shown, and can continually demonstrate, there is nothing in the Bible that irrefutably declares that homosexuality is a sin; and “sin” can only be based on what is found in the Bible. People cannot just make something a sin because they want it to be. Third, perhaps you haven’t read any comments in this particular forum that “you are going to hell” but it is such a common phrase in society that it is implied, if not spoken, anytime someone declares that homosexuality is a sin. The comments from those in the gay population, on this forum, are not reflecting any sort of insecurity or weakness — you have incorrectly inferred that, or assumed it based on your own attitudes toward the gay population — rather, they are responding in the same way that it has been necessary for decades, and will continue to be necessary until the gay population is treated fairly and equally in this country, without bigotry. In your last sentence, I think you mean “accepted,” not “excepted” and you will actually find that homosexuality (the sexuality, that is, not the lifestyle, since, as I’ve pointed out, there is no such thing) IS accepted all over the world — not in huge numbers, but in increasing percentages in countries throughout the world.

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490 vince November 5, 2011 at 1:42 pm

Just because the bible do not use the word homosexual, it doesn’t mean that same sex partners are not sinning under Gods word. It’s nothing wrong to think one way but as soon as you act on something it becomes a choice you made, which in this case is a act of sin. We all face challenges that we face that we can claim to be normal, but what’s the point in life without evaluation as an individual. There has never been any proof that people are born this way, theoretically speaking this would be a choice they made in their development stages. I think denial is a psychological disease that is accepted, because it can’t be forced on people to change especially if they enjoy it. You always hear about the people who say they were born gay, but then you find people who chose not to be gay anymore and there reasons why they chose to be straight.

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491 Alan November 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Not only does the Bible not use the word “homosexual,” there is no passage that can be shown to state, irrefutably, that homosexuality, as in sex between two people of the same gender, is a sin. Your statement, “which in this case is a[n] act of sin,” in relation to same-gender sex is only your opinion, and not supported by the Bible. While there may not be “any proof that people are born this way” there is sufficient scientific evidence that it is. There are many aspects of human thought, feeling, and behavior that have no proof, and for which we must depend on scientific evidence. If you want to only work based on proof, would you like to attempt to prove the existence of God? It’s been tried, quite unsuccessfully, and yet millions of people proceed with their lives based on belief in God. And, since you like proof, how about providing proof that there are people who “chose not to be gay anymore.” What is usually discovered is that, either they really weren’t gay in the first place, or they are living in denial of their homosexuality, because the reasons “why they chose to be straight” (which are actually reasons for behaving as IF they were straight) makes it more socially acceptable in the group with which they wish to associate. You’re grasping at straws and your points are not very well supported, but keep trying if you’d like — it’s a free country!.

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492 vince November 5, 2011 at 4:23 pm

The funny thing is to say homosexuality is not mentioned in the bible and it doesn’t say its a sin proves your ignorance, and understanding to what you read; so I don’t have to debate that; secoundly your poor excuse to why people go straight is weak and you need to work on that. guess what homosexuals are still fighting for something they can’t naturally have and never will be equal until they except who they really are.

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493 Alan November 5, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Vince,
I’m glad you can find humor in the incorrect accusation that the Bible declares homosexuality to be a sin; I’m quite sure the gay population doesn’t find it quite so amusing. And as far as ignorance, I’m afraid the shoe must be shifted to the other foot. You see, you cannot make the Bible say things just because you wish it were so. Truly understanding the Bible requires more than simply repeating what others have told you it says. True understanding of the scriptures requires at least some understanding of the cultural, historical, and linguistic context, as well as the complex intricacies of translation. If you will step beyond the narrow view of the Bible’s meaning that you seem to have accepted, you will find that, because of the differences between ancient Hebrew, Greek, and modern English many passages of scripture have multiple possibilities for their English translation. Any one translation must always reflect the bias of the translator, by including those specific wording choices the translator has made. But, then, we have already established that your command of the English language has its limitations, so it would not be surprising that you would have difficulty with a book with multi-lingual and cross-cultural origins. No, you don’t have to debate it because, until you are willing to provide scriptures that actually do irrefutably declare homosexuality a sin then no debate can occur. That is your choice – whether to present them or not – but, until you do, my argument must stand unchallenged. As far as my “poor excuse to why people go straight” – I was not giving a reason that they GO straight, since one cannot change from homosexual to straight by pure will; rather I was giving the reason they often PRETEND to BE straight – there is a very immense difference that you must recognize. And as far as whether homosexuals are “fighting for something they can’t naturally have and never will be equal” – they already ARE equal, and “naturally” have everything that is theirs to have, at least in terms of their due rights within the law. Let me remind you of the statement penned by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The problem is not whether or not members of the gay population ARE equal, but whether the law properly acknowledges their equality which, at present, it does not. Keep grasping at those straws if it gives you pleasure, Vince, but your arguments are still quite empty.

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494 vince November 6, 2011 at 10:20 pm

You do not have a clue about what your talking about its a waste of time writing all that and you don’t have a conclusion. You obviously don’t comprehend what you read, if you so concerned about culture then its clear to say Christianity is the dominate culture in America so therefore to change our culture norms to satisfy a small group of people who can’t prove with logic why its normal or even worth accepting; is never going to happen. This is something that’s been going on for so long if it was that simple they should of figured it out by now.

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495 Alan November 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm

Aw, come one, Vince…are you really going to be that childish? “You won’t play the game the way I want to play so I’m going to take my marbles and go home!” You can’t present your half-baked ideas of God, the Bible, religion and society and not expect others to respond…and then, when they do, if they don’t quite respond the way you like, your best response is “You’re just dumb” – how very third-grade of you. I’ve been watching you on this forum for some time and have noted you are very happy to blurt out some of your unsubstantiated views and have others just walk away, so you think you have won, but it’s most likely because they think you’re just not worth the bother. I’ve decided to stand my ground…you don’t like it…and that’s just too bad. As far as which of us does or doesn’t “have a clue” let’s start by examining our individual commands of the English language – I’ll just leave it there for you to muddle over, and others to nod and smile. I have given you the opportunity, twice now, to present those scriptures that you honestly believe declare that homosexuality is a sin. Your only response is the very weak, “You obviously don’t comprehend what you read,” without any evidence. If you really believe that, prove it; but, otherwise my argument wins purely by default. As far as Christianity, did I ever say anything about whether or not Christianity is the dominant (and it IS dominant, as an adjective, not dominate, which is a verb) culture in America? Do you even know what religion I profess? Actually it doesn’t matter, since I’m speaking as to how the Bible can and should be read, no matter what your personal religious beliefs might be. You seem to be assuming that just because one is Christian, one must believe everything related to religion and society the way YOU do. Do you not know that there are a number of Christian denominations in this country, and a broad spectrum of views, including views on homosexuality? I think you are the one who has no clue. As far as changing cultural norms “to satisfy a small group of people” – that’s exactly what this country is all about: protecting everyone’s rights, including the smallest of minorities. This is America, where each person and each view is allowed to be fully present in each and every discussion. If you want to back out of this one, go right ahead…you seem to be short on ammunition anyway.

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496 kelley November 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm

thanx for having my back Alan

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497 vince November 8, 2011 at 10:41 am

Nope you lack knowledge, so its worthless and obvious you don’t know what’s really going on in this country and you clearly don’t know the bible or understand it; so what’s the point. Ok whatever its all my opinion if that’s what you claim, but for some reason homosexuals are still fighting and will never have rights to their homosexual lifestyles, but like humans they have a right to fight, but they will never really get it, and guess what its not Christians fault,. So find another reason instead of blaming religion and people so called opinions; which if was true must be doing a good job.

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498 Alan November 8, 2011 at 11:19 am

There you go again, simply trying to push someone aside with a very weak “you lack knowledge” but without any attempt on your side to establish your own. You say that I “clearly don’t know the Bible or understand it” and yet, though I keep asking you to show your own knowledge of the Bible, you refuse. You make other very weak, unsubstantiated points, but I will respond to only one for now: I will stand firmly by the contention that there is no scripture in the Bible that irrefutably estalbishes that homosexuality is a sin. Until you bring up something substantial to refute that — a scripture that you believe DOES establish homosexuality as a sin, for instance — my point stands, uncontested. Do you have the knowledge to argue against my point? Or are you just going to continually demonstrate the weakness of your argument by never providing any support for it?

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499 vince November 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm

How about you look it up? Mater of fact tell me what abomination means ? And what do that mean to God? If you can’t handle that then discussion is over with. Plus i’ll give scriptures. But still if you don’t believe in God ok, there are still many of reasons why its considered abomination to the world. And if you deny that then why isn’t it accepted?

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500 Alan November 8, 2011 at 6:55 pm

You seem confused as to how debate really works. By insisting on a definition of abomination without providing the context for it you are sidestepping the main question at hand. Though you continue to refuse to provide them, I know exactly which scriptures use the word “abomination” [scroll back through this forum and you'll see that I've already dealt with them] but, whether you use the word “abomination” or “sin” there is no scripture that irrefutably applies either one directly to homosexuality, at least as it is defined as the loving relationship between two people of the same gender. It may be necessary to deal with the word “abomination” in context, but defining it separately is a totally unnecessary exercise. Provide the scriptures that you believe declare homosexuality to be a sin (or an abomination, if you prefer dealing with that word) and the debate can continue. Once we set those aside, then we can deal with homosexuality as society views it, with or without considering God. But, for right now let’s stick to the issue. I contend that the Bible does not, in any passage of scripture, irrefutably declare that homosexuality is a sin (or an abomination)…you claim that it does…if you wish to remain in this debate, you must provide the scriptures to prove your point…otherwise, my argument stands unchallenged. The ball’s in your court, Vince.

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501 vince November 8, 2011 at 7:26 pm

“Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites,for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,” —1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV) the word sodomites represents people who are homosexual.

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502 Alan November 8, 2011 at 9:11 pm

Gee, Vince, I’m so glad you told me that “sodomites” represents people who are homosexual – I really wouldn’t have known without your telling me! You should know, however, that the word “sodomites” is not a direct translation of the Greek word originally used in this passage, any more than the word homosexual would be. As I give the explanation for the actual meaning of this passage, you may want to sit down – it will take a bit of time. This particular passage is similar, if not almost identical, to 1 Cor. 6:9-10 which I’ve already dealt with earlier in this forum. There, as well as here, the word in the original Greek is arsenokoitai. It’s actually a made-up word that is not found in the Greek language, other than in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians. It is a compound word made up of the words “arsen,” meaning “male,” and “koitai,” meaning “beds.” If Paul had been intending to talk about homosexuals he would have used the word “paideraste,” which was the standard Greek word for male-male sexual behavior. Of all of the ancient homoerotic Greek texts and stories – and there are thousands – “arsenokoitai” is never used…thus, it is highly unlikely that Paul is not referring to homosexuality. Instead, since he had to invent a word, it is likely that Paul is referring to something which had no name in the Greek language; since homosexual (that is, male-male sexual behavior) was quite common in Greece, it cannot be assumed this verse refers to homosexuals. When you look at the whole passage, you can see that he is working with pairs of synonymous words: lawless and insubordinate; ungodly and sinners; unholy and profane; ending with “liars and perjurers” – another pair of synonyms. There is a slight switch in the rhetoric with “murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers” which can be counted as 3, separating murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, and as 2, with murderers balanced with manslayers. This leaves us with three words: fornicators, sodomites, kidnappers. The first word, “fornicators,” is translated from the Greek “pornoi” which means: a man who prostitutes his body for hire; a male prostitute; or a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, that is, a fornicator – thus, the translators have made a choice here, and chose to focus on the single word “fornicator.” The third word, “kidnappers” is translated from the Greek “andrapodistes” which means a slave-dealer, kidnapper, manstealer – one who unjustly reduces free men to slavery or who steals the slaves of others and sells them. Putting the three together we have “pornoi, arsenokotai, andrapodistes” which means the passage could very likely be translated as “for male prostitutes, for a man who sleeps with an enslaved male prostitute [where Paul inserted his invented word], for a person who enslaves men for prostitution.” This translation thus makes sense, both grammatically and rhetorically, and fits well with Greek word usage of the time and with the style of writing used here. Now I know what you will say: “You’re just making up a different translation.” But what I am actually showing is a very plausible, and highly likely translation. The very fact that it CAN be translated this way puts the passage into doubt as referring to homosexuality. Therefore, my contention still stands: There is no passage of scripture that irrefutably establishes that homosexuality is a sin. Care to try again, Vince?

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503 vince November 8, 2011 at 7:34 pm

Sodomites, “homosexuals” or “aberrosexuals” are persons who engage in the sexual perversion of sodomy, or unnatural physical relationships with persons of the same gender as themselves. The term “sodomy” comes comes from Sodom, an ancient Palestinian city that was notorious for such perverted behavior. Proponents of the homosexualist ideology are most infamousfor their assertion that the sewers of the human body should be used for sexual gratification. An anti-social peversion of the natural order, considering it holds no reproductive purpose and aids only in the spreading of disease.

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504 Alan November 8, 2011 at 9:23 pm

So, Vince, I was in the midst of responding to your previous citing of a passage from 1 Timothy when you went off on to your little discourse on “sodomites.” Here you state that the term “sodomy” comes “from Sodom, an ancient Palestinian city that was notorious for such perverted behavior.” In doing so, you have indirectly referred to another Biblical passage: the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I’ll save us both a little time and do a quick cut and paste of a response I made earlier in this forum which went as follows:

Through an examination of the historical, cultural, and language context it can very easily be shown that this passage has nothing to do with homosexuality. If you look at the chapters preceding this passage, you will see that Sodom and Gomorrah, along with 2 other cities, were in a war against another group of 5 cities. During that war Lot, Abraham’s nephew, who was living in Sodom, was taken captive by Sodom’s enemies. Abraham sent 300 of his men and helped Sodom defeat their enemies, while rescuing his nephew. Thus they are just licking their wounds from a war when they learn that there are two strangers in Lot’s house. They’re suspicious enough of Lot, referring to him as a foreigner, and likely wonder what kind of deal he might have made with their enemies while he was held by them. They do not know that the two strangers in Lot’s house are angels from God and, suspecting they might be spies, they demand “Bring them out to us so that we may know them.” The word “know” in this case refers to wanting to interrogate them and find out who they are, not in the carnal sense of having sex with them. There is much more that can be said, about how the Hebrew word “yada” (to know) is and isn’t used in the Bible, what is and isn’t said in reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in later references to those cities and their sins (with none of those references alluding to homosexuality), what the “sin of Sodom” probably really was, and how the phrase became the basis for using the Bible against homosexuality, but I will leave it here.

So, Vince, here again, we have a passage that can be refuted as having anything to do with homosexuality. That’s two down. Care to try for more??

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505 Madison November 10, 2011 at 11:25 am

If God didn’t want gays, why would he make them? I’m a straight against hate, and I would love to see the day when my two closest friends can walk down the street with wedding rings on their hands, and people won’t boo because they’re both girls-they’ll cheer because they’re in love.

Gay marriage is lovely.

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506 Nikhil November 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm

I have gone through the comments posted here, and I am amazed to see the range and depth of knowledge of the people here. An independent and unbiased reader can infer that most of the time people are talking about (and explaining in detail) passages and interpretations of Bible, or connecting it to Human evolution/Social relationships, or speaking of Human (here LGBTQ) rights etc.
It is bewildering to see that each one of us are writing in English, yet each one of us is speaking a different language. Most of us are picking and choosing the comments we wish to write/comment on while ignoring other things as alien language.
I think that there is something known as morality/civility with pre-dates religion and its ethos. This morality/civility is still seen in primates/social animals living in small groups, much before the humans came up with the idea of religion. So, either because of social norms or because of the appearance of weak genetic traits; incest was not the favored way of reproduction. Yet, Bible is replete with instances of incest/sexual interactions between close relationships. Moreover, it is the religious communities which are highly inbred, and where polygamy is practised. Frankly, I have never heard of a case where a heterosexual couple was put behind bars because they were involved in an incestuous relationship (although there is social stigma attached, but that too once such a relationship is discovered). Furthermore, people who are involved in beastiality (having sex with animals) will do so without any fear because the poor animal cannot speak in human tongue, and secondly there is no pregnancy/abortion involved due to imcompatibility of species. On second thought, beastiality should not be frowned upon by religous people, because there is no abortion involved.

Furthermore, one of the comments was “if we allow gay marriages eventually the human race will become extinct”. This person really needs to know the rate at which the human beings are reproducing themselves. Very recently, many countries have highlighted the birth of ’7th billion’ baby in their respective countires. UNICEF/UNESCO have forcasted that we will be hitting the 9 Billion mark much earlier than previously forecasted; and that about 2000 endangered species (both plants and animals) will become extinct by 2015 and about 5000 species will come under endangered list. What a great way to show our gratitute to the patriarch NOAH, who after immense effort brought every possible living being on his boat so that after great Deluge the ecological balance can be restored (of course, for this you have to believe in the veracity of Biblical stories). So, coming back to the comment, to save the human race; we are sacrificing the meek and humble plants and animals. And then we are scared of new epidemics like Cancer, Hepatitis, Avian flu, Obesity (precursor to many diseases) etc. Frankly, deaths due to HIV/AIDS is nothing in comparison to the death toll these epidemics have taken. We, as humans, have created circumstances (knowingly or unknowingly) to make the Armaggedon come true. This phenomenon is called by experts as ‘self-fulfilling prophesy’ or ‘forced-fulfilling prophesy’.
Also, another point that can be raised is that there are countries where there is a positive population growth (US is one of them) and there are other countries where the population is dwindling (mostly Western European countires). So, is the comment really saying that — “if we allow gay marriages eventually the (White and Christian) human race will become extinct” ? The only conclusion I can derive from this is that this comment not only shows the suble intolerance of the non-Christian religion by the reader, but a deeply racist view as well.

Rest assured, Abrahamic religions are not going to hold the future of this country/planet. The only thing they wish for is a speedy arrival of Judgement Day (either to witness second coming of christ or the promise of 72 virgins in heaven or whatever). I wonder how the world will look once the Judgement Day has passed.

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507 Alan November 10, 2011 at 10:37 pm

And a hush falls over the world….well, over Vince, at least…

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508 vince November 11, 2011 at 2:57 pm

Lol I knew you was going to say that, but its so false you are leaving out so much details. You are only reading opinions from gay protesters trying to find reason to not call it sin. All you talking about is, its a possiblity so its not factual you just lean to what you believe is right. So basically its not a fact. People can have homosexual thoughts but once they act on it; its a sin, so to be homosexual you have to behave in that type of manner, which is ungodly therefore is a sin. Sodomites is not a made up word it was a word given to them for there type oh behaviours which consist of incest, homosexual, including prositution. Greek was known for their homosexual behaviours in history. Jesus uses the Greek word porneia 4 ,in his vice list of things that defile a man, which would include incest, bestiality, same-sex intercourse, and adultery, (i.e. any illicit sex, that is sex outside of marriage), Mark 7:21, Mat 15:19. So try again like I said all you are doing is finding is the possible chance its something else, put can’t quite make it true.

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509 Alan November 11, 2011 at 7:47 pm

Vince, your sense of humor is quite odd, and a little distasteful. Anyone who would begin a discussion related to the accusation of sin against an entire group of people with “Lol” has truly questionable ideas about the seriousness of the subject; but we will continue from there. What I am providing here is not “opinions from gay protestors” – I’m sure you wish it were, so you could dismiss it easily. What I have provided in response to both the Timothy and Genesis passages comes from scholarly research – something with which I doubt you are at all familiar. You say (correcting your usual bad grammar) that: “All you [are] talking about is, it’s a possibility so it’s not factual; you just lean to what you believe is right. So basically it’s not a fact.” Exactly so; but nothing you can provide is or will be fact either, at least related to the Bible. Unless Paul has personally visited you recently, you have no idea exactly what he meant; neither do I. All we have are the words – Greek words – and our best guess as to the translation that seems to come closest to the intended meaning. What I have provided comes from an analysis of the original Greek and Hebrew, based on evidence (no, not fact – evidence, but immense piles of evidence) from which we can discern the most likely intention of the original text. I do not know from where your interpretations come, but it really makes no difference. I only have to present the possibility to cast your interpretations into question. Given two equally plausible possibilities, both must be accepted equally. And, no, “Sodomites” is not a made up word – it does mean someone who was a citizen of the city of Sodom; but the application of it to sex or sexuality IS made up. The first time it was ever applied to sex or sexuality was in the 4th century, never by the writers of the Bible. And it certainly was not the word used by Paul, who wrote in Greek. I have given you the Greek words, and their definitions, sometimes multiple definitions from which a translator must make a choice – that much IS fact. I will deal with the passages from Matthew and Mark separately, as the only point to be made here is: I only have to provide a plausible possibility – you even admit that I HAVE provided possibilities – to establish that there is no scripture that irrefutably (you like looking things up – look up that word) declares that homosexuality is a sin. My point has been made, and I’ll just end with your own quote (making corrections again) which applies very precisely to you: “So try again; like I said all you are doing is finding the possible chance it’s something else, but can’t quite make it true.”

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510 Alan November 11, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Now, as to the Mark and Matthew citations; the two verses are essentially the same statement from Jesus, just with a slightly shorter list in Matthew than in Mark, so we’ll focus on the passage from Mark. Mark 7:21: (Jesus said:) “For it is from within, from the human heart that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly.” Yes, and?? Just what does that have to do with whether or not homosexuality is a sin? If you are going to say that it is because fornication is used to apply to sex outside of marriage, then you’re really arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You’re wanting to say that homosexual sex (and heterosexual sex, by the way) outside of marriage is wrong, and yet you are also arguing against homosexual marriage. I would contend that, if you really want to stand by this verse, then you must stand in favor of homosexual marriage, or you’re being hypocritical. Trying to pin an entire argument on the single word “fornication” is also very risky and messy since you will find that experts do not agree exactly on what it means: is it the same as adultery? do both people have to be married for it to be adultery and both single for it to be fornication? what about sex acts that do not involve intercourse? and then exactly how do we define intercourse? I think you begin to see (or maybe you don’t, since you seem quite dense at times) how messy that gets. And, no matter how you define fornication, it does not make homosexuality a sin, any more than it makes heterosexuality a sin, since I’m sure you know that there are many, many heterosexuals involved in intercourse outside of marriage, and adultery, and many other things the Bible definitely DOES shake its finger at. Still grasping at straws, Vince.

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511 Alyssa -8th grader November 12, 2011 at 4:48 pm

i am doing an i believe… project and we had to do a national debate. i chose gay marriage. if we are all human and made almost exactly the same, then whats wrong with it? love knows no race, color, gender, or sexuality. God made us all equal. we are all from Adam and Eve. In the Bible it says not to judge, if it says that, how come we do it anyway? As long as you love them, does it matter who they are?. And for everyone who says it’s a sin, marking your body such as tattoos is also a sin so if you can do that, why can’t people love and marry who they want? God loves everyone no matter who they are.

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512 vince November 14, 2011 at 12:46 am

Nope you don’t have to agree! You clearly are against it, and you hope on possibility. God do not condone homosexuality point blank. God glorify man and women in marriage, anything besides that is ungodly, so therefore it is a sin. I’m done; I could pull up simple scriptures which clearly prove Gods attentions for man and women, but you probably deny that aswell. There is no bible from any domination that glorify homosexual behaviors.

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513 Alan November 14, 2011 at 2:40 am

Continue living in absolute denial, Vince, but, like it or not, I have proven over and over that there is no scripture that irrefutably establishes homosexuality as a sin. You cannot, by any stretch of the imagination (except your own wild imagination, perhaps) establish that “God [does] not condone homosexuality point blank.” You have not shown anything that establishes that. Now you’re bringing up additional points, that “God [glorifies] man and women in marriage, anything besides that is ungodly” — just as with trying to establish homosexuality as being a sin, you cannot simply declare that and make it true — you must provide evidence. And, yes, whatever scriptures you might bring up I would be sure to show that there are other interpretations. Your point that “there is no bible from any [denomination that [glorifies] homosexual behavior” is actually true — but no one is asking that it be glorified. Your point has been that it is a sin; my point is that there is no scripture irrefutably establishing that, therefore it cannot categorically be declared a sin — I’ve clearly proven my point, but you’ve never proven yours. The declaration of homosexuality as being wrong is strictly from men, not from God. Sorry, Vince, but you lose on all counts.

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514 Alan November 14, 2011 at 2:56 am

Vince is quite obstinate, refusing to listen to very basic logic but, for anyone else reading this, here are the six scripture passages (and there really are only six) that are presented in the accusation that homosexuality is a sin. For each I provide a brief summary of the points establishing that they do not irrefutably establish homosexuality as a sin.

1. Genesis 19:5 – The story of Sodom and Gomorrah. When the people of Sodom demanded of Lot, regarding the angels in his house, “Bring them out so that we may know them” it was so they could interrogate what they thought might be spies, not so that they could have sex with them. In this case “know” just means “know” – not: have sex.
2. Leviticus 18:22. The original Hebrew is unclear, leaving the passage open to any of several plausible translations, including, among them, the possibility that it is an admonition against defiling a woman’s bed, against adultery, or against having sex as part of pagan ritual. The most likely admonition is against men who took part in the Baal fertility rituals to guarantee good crops.
3. Leviticus 20:13 This is simply a repeat of 18:22, with the addition of the death penalty. Both of these must be set aside as an irrefutable admonition against homosexuality.
4. Romans 1:26-27. In this passage Paul is talking about sex involved with pagan ritual practices, not homosexuality when defined as the loving relationship between two people of the same sex.
5. 1 Corinthians 6:9. The Greek word mis-translated as “homosexual” or “sodomite” (arsenokoites) is a word Paul created and which has difficulty being translated. It most likely refers to male prostitutes, and has nothing to do with homosexuality.
6. 1 Timothy 1:9019. The same word (arsenokoites) is used here, so the same explanation applies.

So, unless someone can come up with something else I think we can safely say that the point has been made: There is no scripture that irrefutably establishes that homosexuality is a sin.

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515 Vince November 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm

Sodom and Gomorrah was a city of incest and homosexuality, were they praised through group orgies. Sodom was the name, but just like you are American people might refer to you as Americans or yankees. In history the Greek were known for their homosexual behaviors so I don’t deny that.

“For this reason a man will leave his father and other and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.” “A man Will” means a lot again its straight to the point. God talks with authority and he means what he says.

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. This detestable doesn’t sound glorified , there is no other way you can try to say God approved of this. No Man should lay with an another man period. That’s What Gods says that’s what he means. He didn’t say lay next to a women; it means to have sex!!! In what other way could it mean?

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516 Alan November 17, 2011 at 1:21 am

Aw, come on, Vince; we’ve dealt with all of this. But, I can be a very patient teacher, so let’s try this again. There is nothing, nothing, nothing, and I’ll say it again, nothing (sound like a familiar rhetorical style?) that you can show in the Bible that establishes that “Sodom and Gomorrah [were cities] of incest and homosexuality.” The cities’ names, Sodom and Gomorrah, by the way, are derived from two Hebrew words, with Sodom meaning “scorched” and Gomorrah meaning “burned and ruined.” So, these were not even the actual names of the cities. By the time the story was written down, long after the event, the Hebrews had come back from Egypt to settle in the Jordan valley where some of them would have settled near the remains of these two destroyed cities. They had no idea, or memory, of what the names of the two cities really were so, as they wrote down the story, they simply referred to them as “scorched” and “burned and ruined” (Sodom and Gomorrah). Search throughout Genesis, and through all the references to Sodom and Gomorrah throughout the Bible, and you will find no evidence that the “sin of Sodom” was homosexuality. Based on later references to the two cities in other books of the Bible, it is more likely that their sin consisted of inhospitality (which matches with the manner in which they treated Lot and their demand to know – as in interrogate – who the strangers in his house were); inhospitality in desert regions was considered an extreme breach of conduct. There are other references that indicate that they were guilty of not taking care of their widows and orphans. So, what we have are two cities whose citizens were stingy, mean-spirited, and inhospitable which, apparently, earned the wrath of God; but there’s nothing that suggests homosexuality was involved in any way. To trace the origins of the application of “sodomy” to homosexuality you will need to study the Byzantine emperor, Justinian I, who was the first to declare that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality; it was Justinian who coined the word “sodomia” which became “sodomy” and served as the basis for sodomy laws.

As far as the Leviticus reference, I’ve dealt with Lev. 18, which is essentially the same as Lev. 20, but now with the death penalty added. Just to satisfy you, let’s deal more directly with Lev. 20. The original Hebrew is: “V’ish asher yishkav et zachar mishk’vei ishah to’evah asu shneihem mot yumatu d’meihem bam.” Translated literally it is: And man who lies down with male bed woman abomination make both of them dying their blood on them. A possible way (yes, we are dealing with possibilities, because there’s more than one) of turning it into a proper English sentence would be: “And a man who lies down with a male in a woman’s bed has committed an abomination, bringing death to both of them, and their blood shall be upon them.” It’s finally here, as I promised you, that we will deal with “abomination,” because we’re dealing with it in context. The Hebrew word is “to’evah” which does not really mean abomination in the way we tend to think of it today. The portion of Leviticus from which 20:13 comes is referred to as the Holiness Code, which is essentially a ritual manual for Israel’s priests. The word “to’evah” (abomination) basically means forbidden – not inherently evil, but, rather, ritually unclean. This particular passage about a man not lying with a male comes right after the prohibition of idolatrous sexuality of worshipping Molech, whose cult included male cult prostitutes and bestiality. Lev. 18 requires the Hebrews to distinguish themselves from the pagans who worshipped multiple gods and fertility rites; Lev. 20 is simply restating it (as it restates other “abominations”) and providing the penalty, in this case: death. It is further confirmed that we’re talking about pagan fertility rites because of the words used for “man” and “male” (note that they are two different Hebrew words). The word for “male” (zachar) actually refers to a male who has been dedicated to the temple, which some sources refer to as a “temple prostitute.” There are also other references, both in Deuteronomy and 1 Kings, about sacred male prostitutes and how much trouble you’re in if you get involved with one. One might wonder: why would getting involved in pagan rituals require the death penalty? This is not the only time it is invoked – it simply means being a Hebrew priest was serious stuff, and they didn’t want them involved with pagan rituals in any way, and the death penalty seemed like the best deterrent. So, sorry, Vince, but you just can’t make this scripture passage, or any scripture passage, stick as a prohibition against homosexuality. Nice try, but no dice.

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517 Maddy M November 14, 2011 at 11:10 am

Honestly, people that claim that gay people are “disgusting” are extremely wrong. I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what makes them less of a person than you and me. If they had the choice to be different i am sure they would change some things. Do not judge them on something that is nothing they can control. Their marrige is probably better than yours will ever be so stop being so critical and open your eyes. I grew up with a gay dad and he’s has provided the world for me and he . is . gay. Does that make him a bad dad? No because he makes triple your salary and lives a happy healthy life everyday. If it offends you so much, then move to a cult.

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518 JESUS IS THE ONLY RIGHT WAY November 14, 2011 at 11:27 am

GAY MARRIAGE IS GAY

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519 Amanda Rose November 16, 2011 at 3:05 pm

you are ignorant…

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520 Jessica November 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm

There is nothing wrong with love. I don;t care who you are and who you have feelings for, as long as your feelings are true and you are going to love that person and be there for them, I see nothing wrong with this. Gay marriage isn’t like marrying your siblings or your pets. They are two total different things. I believe all people are the same no matter who they marry or who they love. People that hate on others for being real and showing the person they love affection disgust me. Pay attention to your own relationship and worry about yourself and not about others. Everyone has the right to love and everyone has the right to show it.

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521 Vince November 16, 2011 at 3:59 pm

Jessica, if it was baesd on love then you could marry your siblings and pets; so therefore proves its not about love. Worry about yourself huh. I bet you didnt get where you are today by youself did you? Soo how can we just worry about ourselves? That would be selfish of you, besides the fact that you are on here defending other people, which proves that you need to practice what you preach. Miss. Worry About Yourself Jessica

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522 Alan November 17, 2011 at 7:44 pm

By the way, Vince, your comments regarding someone wanting to marry a sibling or a pet are referred to as a red herring — throwing pionts into an argument that take things far from the main question in order to divert attention from the main question. Stick to the point, Vince: whether or not gay marriage, as in marriage between two adults of the same gender, should be legal or not. As soon as someone wants to marry a sibling or a pet I will stand right along side you in opposition.

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523 vince November 18, 2011 at 12:11 am

I don’t even care know more, another door opened for destruction. Another way to push God out the picture and forget were we originally came from losing our culture values and the true key to survival. Yea we might help the ecosystem who’s going to help us? This is not my fight god you handle this; it makes no sense.

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524 Alan November 18, 2011 at 12:29 am

Ah, Vince, you continue to believe that the only way to believe in God and to be a Christian is YOUR way. Remember when Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life”? — I don’t think he mentioned your name. It really is possible to believe in God, and Christ, and be a Christian, and still accept homosexuality as just one of the possibilities of being human. The reason it doesn’t make sense to you is you just don’t want to open your mind to anything more than the very narrow view of the universe that you have been told to believe, and you accept, because it puts things in nice, neat little boxes, with hard fast liines. When you open your mind to the greater, grander fullness of the universe it just might begin to make sense. And, don’t worry, God really can handle it, quite well, as God has handled it all from now and forever.

525 Emma November 16, 2011 at 11:29 am

Some people are just so disrespectful. Gay marriage should be 100% be legal everywhere. It shouldn’t even be a debate, it’s unconstitutional to not allow it. Who has the right to judge somebody and tell them who to love? Oh, and If it’s any constellation, no, I am not gay myself; however I am a normal, sane person and see the world as it should be seen. Anybody who has something bad to say about being gay needs to take a look in the mirror and look into the eyes looking back at them, are you THAT cruel to be this way? It’s a lifestyle choice. Accept it. You don’t have to agree with it, but accept it, or keep your thoughts to yourself.

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526 Amanda Rose November 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm

I am straight but I feel who really has the right to decide who gets to marry who. It’s so disgusting that people to this day don’t think that it is right. Look at it this way. What if there was someone or some thing saying that you could not be with the one that you love. That would make you angry. How do you think homosexuals feel? They are people just like you and me. My best friend is gay and I hope that some day he will be able to marry some one legally!

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527 i hate you... November 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm

you said it girl

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528 Vince November 16, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Possibility, possibility, possibility!! So Alan you are really saying that you could be wrong, and vice verse. I rather take the chance to be doing something that can lead me to heaven then hope on a possibility, its factual that God praises a man and women marriage, but no where in the bible glorifies same sex couples. OK since God has blessed us with brains then lets figure this out. God talks about how we should take care of our bodies right OK. For example: 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 – “Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.” Basically saying if we don’t take care of our bodies period we are sinning and since our bodies don’t belong to us we can’t make decision’s based on what we feel. That says a whole lot, but lets get back to health. OK since back in the old Greek days they didn’t have the advance technology we have today and the knowledge to say what harms they where doing to themselves. We can pinpoint some things about homosexuality that does harm to the body. Besides lacking purpose; because its about taking care of the body right, OK Homo which means the (same) and sexuality that means a individual sexual preference or choice; has been proven to be very unhealthy to the point it can cause death, we don’t need to go into details, because if you deny that then there is no point to finding the truth. So anyway; God Says In Galatians 6:7-8: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soewth, that shall he also reap. For he that soewth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” “Soewth to his flesh” WOW, but anyway back to what I was saying. Since we have EVIDENCE that homosexual behaviour do harm to our body, which means to God that you are not honoring your body, proves that the individual is sinning. Soweth to the flesh doesn’t sound like their body is for God, He clearly says “You do not belong to yourself”. The funny thing is this…. so how come we know the effects of a decision or a direction we pick can be dangerous to or health but we still choose to go the same path. Denial or Self Righteousness a word God like s to use. God says you live like a fool you die as a fool, which means use your brain, and evaluate life, do not make decisions based on what ever feels right to you and your body; basically saying you are a fool if you choose too. That goes for everybody not just homosexuals. So I still stand on Gods word that anything, anything, anything and one more time anything that we choice to cause harm to our body is a sin and is UNGODLY and will fall to corruption.

Alan reading scriptures don’t mean you know the bible. if something is not said directly doesn’t mean that its not factual. Leaving out certain info could mean in this case God is not giving options. Possible Right lol

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529 Alan November 17, 2011 at 1:10 am

Possibility – absolutely, because that’s all we have for large portions of the Bible. Anyone who attempts to translate the Hebrew and Greek in which the Bible was originally written must deal with multiple possibilities and make choices. Some of it can be figured out easily just by the context, but there are always some for which we must say, “This is the best guess we can make as to what it says” and go on from there. I, too, would “rather take the chance to be doing something that can lead me to heaven,” but, unless you’ve been there and back, even heaven is only a possibility – one in which I strongly believe, but only a possibility, nevertheless. And, as far as what does or does not lead one to heaven, are you so absolutely sure of your own interpretations of the Bible to know, without doubt, that your thoughts, words, and actions are not preventing you from getting there? I, personally, would rather err on the side of those things preached by Jesus: love, compassion, and forgiveness. Can you be so sure, as you continually accuse an entire group of people of being sinful, that you are not possibly wrong and keeping yourself excluded from heaven? What about the passage, “Judge not that you not also be judged”? Also, what about the number of times that Jesus himself showed the Pharisees how it was better to set aside the law, including very clearly stated Jewish laws, for the sake of helping another person (e.g., when he healed on the Sabbath). Remember Jesus’ words, “The law was made for man, not man for the law.” The law – any law, whether from the Bible or passed by our American congress – must always be re-considered when it seems that following it strictly will harm people rather than help them. And that’s exactly why the laws related to gay marriage must be re-considered.

As far as the praising of men and women in marriage, realize that this is because we’re talking about the tradition of marriage as it was known to the Jews. No one considered marriage between people of the same gender – even among the Greeks and Romans where same gender relationships were common – because there was no particular reason to consider it. Marriage is important for the binding of two people into a commitment, making them responsible for each other, their children, and their mutual property. Because none of this was considered at the time the Bible was written there was no reason to talk about it. There are many things that exist now that didn’t at the time of the Bible; just because the Bible doesn’t consider them, must we exclude them from all consideration? There are some who say “yes” – such as the Amish, for instance – but most people would say no. One of the main reasons for same gender couples needing and asking for marriage here and now is that our American legal system favors married over unmarried couples in terms of taxes and property rights, just to name a couple of things. Remember, we’re talking about changing American law, not all religious beliefs related to marriage; you can hang on to all of your personal beliefs about marriage, and feel very self-righteous within those beliefs, but American law must stand strictly on people’s rights.

As far as going off onto all of the health issues, it is quite true that there are many health issues that must be considered very carefully within the gay population. Before you go down that road, though, you will want to consider all of the health dangers of indiscriminate heterosexual sex as well. You are really stretching the point far beyond recognition when you try to take the circular route that: if you don’t take care of your body, then you are sinning, and if you’re involved in gay sex, then you’re not taking care of your body, and so you are sinning – pretty convoluted. You can say “anything” five thousand times and you still have not clearly established that homosexual sex, in and of itself, is unhealthy and/or in any way sinful. The discussion as to whether or not gay sex, in and of itself, is healthy or not is far too complex a debate for a forum like this. And, once again, as far as the primary issue – whether or not gay marriage should be allowed – this is really a side issue. Actually, allowing gay marriage would protect the health of the gay population, making it more desirable to be monogamous – so, on this point, you are actually establishing one of the best arguments in favor of gay marriage!

Now, as to the point about lacking purpose: are you going to say that simply because two people of the same gender cannot produce a child, gay marriage should not be allowed? What about women who are sterile, or a couple who has reached an age beyond child bearing possibilities? Will you deny a marriage license to them simply because they cannot produce children? And, as soon as you allow any couple to get married, even though they cannot produce a child, then the argument that gay couples should not be allowed to be married, because they cannot produce children, falls apart. Besides that, gay couples CAN produce children, through surrogate parenting, and raise their own children, or adopt. And, whether they have and/or raise children or not, denying any couple the advantages of marriage is unfair, and we’re back to the issue of American law related to marriage – there is nothing in laws related to marriage about whether or not the couple can or cannot produce children.

Your final little paragraph is absolutely true, so let’s repeat it (correcting your grammar, as usual): “reading scriptures doesn’t mean you know the Bible. If something is not said directly doesn’t mean that it’s not factual. Leaving out certain info could mean in this case God is not giving options. Possible. Right.” Exactly! I have no argument with you on any of that. But, be sure you turn it around to exam your own reading of the scriptures. Never saying you’re wrong, but, consider the possibility!!

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530 Vince November 18, 2011 at 10:17 am

God has never stared me wrong. Remember you believe in possibility not me; through the whole bible God talks about how his children should live. Not how they should think, or feel they should live. God speaks with authority and doesn’t give us the option to think of the possibility that he means something else. He speaks to man and women giving direction; not here you have options. See I walk with God and have understanding for sinners, because God didn’t create us perfect, but to accept sinner ways will never happen. Homosexuality is a sin just like all the rest of the sins that God speaks of. God doesn’t make mistakes, and Gods children is not limited in life, so any choice you make that makes you limited in life is like saying to God thanks for a fulfilled life, but no thanks. I recommend that you seek his face and spend time with God. If you want to know Gods secrets you have to build a relationship, just like you would build any relationship when you want to truly know what that person is thinking. Seeking God is your answer, not just reading scriptures; so lean not to your own understanding and seek Gods face and he will direct your way and I put my life on that.

This is my last comment; again im not limited to this issue, because God has, and is taking care of this situation, they can change the law, but they cant change the law of gravity or the law of GOD; which has been proven with the consequences they suffer from.

Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. Amen

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531 Alan November 18, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Gee, Vince, does God stare at you? Maybe he feels he needs to keep an eye on something you’re doing! Of course I know it’s your usual bad spelling and you meant “steered” – but are you really sure God is doing any of the steering? – you might want to check again as to who is at the wheel. Whether you accept it or not, you DO believe in possibility, just by believing in God – that’s why it’s called “faith” and not “fact” – but also because no translation of the Bible is absolute, and all deal with possibility. Your continual insistence on absolutely only one way of reading, interpreting, and responding to the scriptures makes you equivalent to the Pharisees. The Pharisees believed that, as long as they read, studied, memorized, and followed all the laws strictly and absolutely, they were doing the will of God. Must I remind you, yet again, that Jesus came to tell the Pharisees, and all of us, that such absolute adherence to the letter of the law, while ignoring the needs of the people around us, is NOT God’s intention. And in those cases we are talking about laws that are quite clearly stated. You are expecting people to adhere to a law (and there’s only one passage that can be considered “law”)that isn’t even that clear; other than Leviticus, even if other passages really did apply to homosexuality, they could only be considered statements about homosexuality, and not law.

By the way, Vince, I happen to walk with God, too – or haven’t you noticed me beside you on those daily walks (you just might be surprised to know who else, besides you, is just as close, or possibly even closer, to him that you are). Yes, we must understand and forgive sinners, but you’re still working under the assumption that homosexuality is a sin. You have yet to establish that it is – just declaring it, or dancing around the scriptures with your circular, nonsensical logic doesn’t make it so. You have never refuted anything that I have submitted as evidence for my point of view – only stomped your feet like a child, covered your ears, and said, “You’re just plain stupid!” – that’s not a convincing argument from a third grader on the playground, and it certainly isn’t very convincing in this forum.

And now I must confront you directly and say: You have stepped far beyond just raising opposing views and become highly rude and presumptuous when you suggest that I have never sought God, or that I have not searched out his secrets. You do not know me, or anything about my religious faith and to suggest that I am any less of a Christian than you are makes you truly and highly judgmental. I have a relationship with God – in fact a very good one – that allows me to feel totally comfortable and at ease both with my own life and with the lives of all mankind around me – even you! I would never consider standing in judgment of anyone else, pointing my finger at any individual, or group and cry, “sinner!” Do you not recall the moment when the woman was to be stoned and Jesus said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”; and, when everyone dropped their stones and walked away, Jesus said, “It seems no one condemns you, and neither do I.” That, my friend, is the way of Christ; if you intend to be a true Christian I would suggest you study and prepare yourself to follow that example, and put aside thoughts of judging others. I could easily suggest to you as well that “seeking God is your answer, not just reading scriptures” – I’ve already shown you that my thinking about God, life, and the universe goes beyond a simple reading and reciting of scriptures – can you show me anything of yourself to establish the same?

Is this really your last comment? I thought you’d already said that once. Oh, yes, as far as the law of gravity – just how well do you understand even something as seemingly basic as that? Do you not know that physicists, with minds as great as Neils Bohr and Albert Einstein have discussed and disagreed on the very nature of gravity? So, you see, even there, we are dealing with possibilities. But, of course, I’m sure you would even argue with Einstein as he proposed the Theory of Relativity, because you prefer everything to be absolute, with no possible choices. If we cannot be absolutely sure about gravity, why should we be so absolutely sure about any law, especially laws we know are created by people – like the laws related to gay marriage? Which, in case you’d forgotten, is the question being raised here, and not anyone’s personal relationship with God.

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532 vpkush November 16, 2011 at 5:08 pm

smoke weed

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533 mary beth mize November 16, 2011 at 8:10 pm

the bible says that all sins are equal. so being gay is no more wrong than telling a lie.

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534 Alan November 21, 2011 at 6:42 pm

There are two problems with your comments: (1) The Bible does not say that all sins are equal; in fact there are numerous times when some sins are pointed out as being more grievous than others; (2) Your comment is working under the assumption that being gay is a sin, which it is not — there is no passage in the Bible that irrefutably declares homosexuality to be a sin.

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535 racer November 17, 2011 at 3:09 pm

Gay marriage WRONG.

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536 vince November 19, 2011 at 7:11 am

You can’t tell somebody something what you never experienced. Therefore my experience proves God is real not a possibility. First let’s get this straight you don’t know me and I was talking in general. Get a life and leave me alone.; wasting all your time writing these novels to me. Everything I say go over your head, so how In the world could you ever understand the bible. Look you have some personal issues, and a problem with perception. My faith is in God; faith is build in a relationship, where it turns from I believe to I know. When you say God is a possibility….. we are nothing alike you have little Faith in God, so that tells
me were you are at in your relationship with God.
Do me a favor and stop stalking my comments, I’m not in competition with you, so believe whatever you want I’m following the truth I found and I threw away possibility along time ago and life has never been the same.

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537 Alan November 19, 2011 at 9:49 am

“You can’t tell somebody something what you never experienced. Therefore my experience proves God is real not a possibility.” – Sorry, Vince, but you’re quite wrong there. God is real for you, I’m sure (and quite real for me as well), bar greater minds than either yours or mine (certainly greater than yours), have tried to prove the existence of God and have failed. Your experience only confirms your faith, not the existence of God. My faith in God is just as firm, perhaps firmer than yours, but I have enough intelligence to know I cannot prove the existence of God to anyone – I don’t need to, and I won’t try – their faith is their own business. But, here again, you’re spinning your wheels in a point that really doesn’t matter as far as the main question.

“First let’s get this straight you don’t know me and I was talking in general. “ – Here again you show your limited command of the English language. There are ways of speaking in general and ways of speaking to someone directly; you don’t seem to know the difference. When you become personally insulting to me, I will respond personally to you.

“Get a life and leave me alone.; wasting all your time writing these novels to me.” – Sorry, buddy boy, but you’re the one who came on here spouting your ideas about homosexuality, sin, God, and religion. You cannot come onto a forum like this and expect people to leave you alone. If you want to be left alone, stay out of public forums.

“Everything I say go over your head, so how In the world could you ever understand the bible. “ – Oh, Vince, Vince – do you realize how foolish you look when you say things like that? Anyone who reads your comments and mine will know exactly whose comments are going over whose head. Look above you as even this comment whizzes past you.

“Look you have some personal issues, and a problem with perception.” – We all have personal issues, but you would be hard pressed to find anything in my comments here to know what any of mine might be. And, as far as perception, just go back to my last comment, and feel the breeze as it whizzes you’re your head again.

“My faith is in God; faith is build in a relationship, where it turns from I believe to I know.” – Your limited English language skills really turn your comments into a mess, sometimes. I’ve done pretty well deciphering most of your gibberish, but this comment makes no sense. All I can pull out of it as that you’re talking about faith, and what your faith lets you know – in which case, guess what, you’re right!

“When you say God is a possibility….. we are nothing alike you have little Faith in God, so that tells me were you are at in your relationship with God.” And I thought you said you were speaking in generalities. This sounds very personal to me. To whom are you speaking if not to me personally about my faith in God? I’ve already stated my points here, so won’t repeat them. I will repeat that anyone’s personal faith in God has nothing to do with the main issue at hand here: whether or not gay marriage should be legal. Try getting back to that point, Vince.

“Do me a favor and stop stalking my comments, I’m not in competition with you, so believe whatever you want I’m following the truth I found and I threw away possibility along time ago and life has never been the same. “ – Sorry, Vince, but as long as you come here and make comments that need to be opposed, I will speak in opposition. What you do in your personal life, and whether or not you want to restrict yourself to a narrow view without possibilities, is your own business. Once you express your opinions in a way that requires response, on a public forum like this, you will receive a response. You’ve said, twice, that it was your last comment – stick by your words, and you won’t have to worry about seeing my response.

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538 Margaret November 20, 2011 at 11:58 am

What are these statistics from? Are they all just of the US?

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539 Chelle November 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm

People are ignorant. How can people discuss and determine what other people can and cannot do? It is like asking a bunch of homosexuals if they think straight people should be allowed to marry…doesn’t anyone think this is wrong!? I’m not religious and do not go by the bible what-so-ever….but, there is a passage in there that says homosexuality is a sin, argue it all you want, it’s there.(But yea all sins can be forgiven) Some Christians go CRAZY about homosexuals….but of course, they let the priests do what they want with the little boys, that’s fine, right? And I am not stereotyping all of you Christians don’t worry. It is just some…well, the ones that get recognized by the media.
Honestly, I don’t think people should go by the bible for their beliefs and opinions…make your own, okay? (it does have some good morals though, I must admit)
Overall, people should not be able to determine what other people can and cannot do. It is a free world!!! Alright!?! Sure butt sex is gross, but straight guys do it too! which pisses me off a lot because that is where a lot of the hate is….it is hypocritical. Just let others do what they want, it is not effecting you although you may think it is, it’s not.

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540 Alan November 21, 2011 at 6:20 pm

Chelle, I agree with just about everything in your comments except this: “there is a passage in there that says homosexuality is a sin, argue it all you want, it’s there.” There are passages that have been mis-translated, mis-interpreted, and mis-used to contend that homosexuality is a sin, but, as I have repeatedly pointed out in this forum, there is no Biblical passage that irrefutably declares homosexuality to be a sin. Establishing it is not a sin, based on the definition of sin from the Bible, means we are dealing strictly with human prejudice, and it is upon that basis that the debate must be placed.

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541 Alaska Guy November 22, 2011 at 4:23 am

Just because you believe in God gives you no right to assume that you are correct. I am a Christian, and have every certainty that God exists and that He is good, but nor do I presume to ignore the possibility that I may be wrong in my faith or that even if I am correct, it is my business to interfere with another’s life or show such open disrespect for the beliefs of others. Jesus showed compassion even to those who we would consider sinners, so why shouldn’t Christians? Sure, SOME of us may think its wrong, but if Jesus were here, do you really think he’d be the one standing out with a Gay Hater sign and telling Gay people that they were horrible people and were going to hell? Somehow, I don’t picture him in such an intolerant light. Whatever my own reservations about homosexuality may or may not be, it is in no way my place to judge or publicly condemn those who practice it. We are a country founded on diversity and individuality, not on any one religion or set of values. Grow up and accept that others are different than you and whether you agree with them or not, it’s not your damn business to be poking into the private lives of others to satisfy your own self-serving, egotistical evaluation of what’s right and what’s wrong. God is the only one, for me at least, who will ultimately know anyway, so who am I to judge? To quote Bob Marley, “who are you to judge to life I live? I’m not perfect, nor do I claim to be. But before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean.”
Just because we have our beliefs doesn’t mean we get to enforce them on others. Understand that already people. You don’t see Gay and Lesbian couples standing outside your house telling you that you’re going to hell because you as a man like other men. Be humble and do not judge others for their actions, for if you truly believe in God and that his ways are not our ways and we cannot fully ever comprehend them, then who the hell are you to judge?

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542 Sophia November 23, 2011 at 12:27 am

god isn’t real. and gay marriage should be allowed everwhere
gay people, are just that. people. they should have all the same righs as different sex couples, otherwise, we’re not treating them as humans.

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543 vince November 26, 2011 at 10:09 pm

If Jesus was here he would not In any shape or form condone homosexuality. Do he love you yes, but he wouldn’t accept your actions. Fleshly decisions are not praised by God, but he love you. Where talking about homosexuality, what makes Gay people any different then any person who live by the flesh. Get over it its wrong and will continue to be wrong whether you want to write novels, or you believe in possibility, or you say well I believe in God, but since God loves me my actions don’t matter, or the government is having financial problems and they finally need your help; or you just don’t believe in God; it is and will always be wrong , just like any sinner, or any person who thinks they can make decisions based on feelings. The world just don’t work on how we feel as individuals and will never start as you can see; while you fight for sympathy. So as long as we have rights to protect what we believe in you can complain all you want. We are not going to allow it and it will continue through the next generation. “Equality” is not lopsided and that will not change for homosexuals. Love you, just like God does and as Christians we will continue to stand strong.

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544 Alan November 27, 2011 at 12:14 am

So, you’re back, eh, Vince? And with the same bad English and senseless “I believe this way and that’s the way it is, so there!” argument. You say, “If Jesus was here he would not in any shape or form condone homosexuality” – I say: you can’t establish that, in any shape or form, based on the Bible, so your comment is quite worthless. Most of the rest of your comment is nothing but meandering gibberish, and not worth trying to sort out to make into anything worthwhile. There is one point near the end, though, where it seems you have really stepped beyond the bounds of appropriateness, when you say, “We are not going to allow it and it will continue through the next generation” – just exactly who is this “we” to whom you refer? Are you really suggesting that there is any one segment of society that feels it maintains possession over this country to the point that you can decide what will and won’t be allowed? I do hope you remember that this is the United States of America where every voice is equal in the sight of the law. Suggesting that the majority feels one way or the other is one thing, but to arrogantly declare that “We are not going to allow it” is fascist and does not at all coincide with American ideals. The country is in the midst of a debate on a very complex issue; the results of that debate are yet to be determined but, I can assure you, no one segment of the population will be responsible for the outcome. When you say, “ ‘Equality’ is not lopsided and that will not change for homosexuals,” you are exactly correct. As far as gay marriage, what the gay community is asking for is exactly to change the law to change the lopsided-ness of marriage laws and the fact that the legal benefits of marriage are afforded to some but not all Americans. Thank you, once again, for helping me make my point.

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545 vince November 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm

Marriage is between man and women; which has greater importance then gay marriage; so therefore gay marriages should not have the same equality. Not just because its not moral, but marriage has a greater importance that is built on long term; and I honestly believe naturally they can’t fulfil that purpose, simply because they are limited naturally. I think gay people should not be allowed to get married, because it was not created for gay people and that the decision was not based on someone’s opinion, but it made logical sense.

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546 Alan November 27, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Bravo, Vince! You are actually sticking to the point, and haven’t tried to drag religion into it; well, except for the “not moral” part, but we can set that aside for the moment. As far as whether “marriage is between man and woman” (I’m sure you meant “woman”, not “women” – you’re not promoting polygamy are you?), traditionally, that is true. However, there are many traditions that have changed from one generation to the next, because it seemed for the best. Slavery was a tradition in this country, for instance, until it was abolished; it was also the tradition for women to not be allowed to vote, but that was also changed. The definition of marriage as “between man and woman” is yet another tradition that more and more people are seeing needs to be changed. I cannot agree with your point that marriage between man and woman has any “greater importance” or that “gay marriages should not have the same equality” – you would have to defend that better than simply stating it. I’ve dealt with the whole “purpose” and “naturally” issue with others – I’ll restate my point very simply: marriage laws do not deal with any specific purpose other than the legal, binding commitment between the two people being married, and there is nothing within a gay marriage that cannot fulfill the legal purposes of marriage. Any other “purpose” attached to marriage is bound up in personal or religious beliefs, quite separate from any and all legal points. Just because something was “not created for” a particular group does not mean that they can be legally restricted from it – our legal system has proven that over and over again. Lots of things seemed to make logical sense at one time but, as times changed and people rethought them (just remember slavery and women’s right to vote), the laws were changed; and the laws regarding gay marriage should be changed now — in all states, not just a few.

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547 vince December 1, 2011 at 1:28 pm

You can’t compare civil rights to gay rights; no social group (homosexual) have never experienced discrimination and hardship, none of their experiences historically and politically can compare with the physical brutality of slavery; plus civial rights was born on that movement. I think its a good strategy, but has been smacked down every time. Marriage has principles; you might not like it but homosexual marriage is impossible in principle;

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548 Alan December 2, 2011 at 2:16 am

Vince, I thought you said “this is my last comment” some time ago — maybe you should think before you speak, not only in that regard, but in others as well. First of all, I was not comparing civil rights to gay rights – I was making the point that traditions have changed in regard to both slavery and women’s right to vote – the point was regarding traditions, not civil rights. However, now that you bring it up, the fact of the matter is that gay rights – anyone’s rights – ARE civil rights. No one group can claim exclusivity to civil rights. The phrase “Civil Rights Movement” carries with it certain specific historical events and connotations, but “civil rights” in general are applied to all American citizens. No one is trying to compare the experiences of the gay community with the black community, item for item; but, to say that the gay community has “never experienced discrimination and hardship” is ludicrously wrong. Would you not say that being disowned by one’s family, being bullied in school, being denied a job or losing a job, being beaten in an alley, receiving death threats and even being killed, just because you are gay, is discrimination and hardship? And, just the fact that a gay couple is being denied the same marriage rights as other committed couples IS discrimination – that is exactly what is being debated in the courts. As far as it being “smacked down every time” – only in the minds of the smackers, who feel very pleased with themselves, thinking they have come up with a legitimate argument, but it is an argument that holds no water. As far as your last statement, you would have to state and define just what those “principles” are – there is nothing in American jurisprudence that would make it true that “homosexual marriage is impossible in principle” – several states have already decided that it is NOT impossible – now we must just wait for the rest.

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549 vince December 2, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Marriage was designed for man and women for procreation so its in principle, if you define the principle of marriage, gay marriage would be impossible in principle. Do your research civil rights belong to African Americans, People didn’t die to satisfy their sexual behaviours to have. So don’t compare gay rights to civil rights; they are nothing alike. You are in denial and you live to much on possibility. You choose to believe what you want, lacking faith and direction. The-bible clearly states the principle of marriage, the doctors clearly states the dangers, scientifically its proven there is lack of principle, the government dont accept it, but thinks its a good strategy to build the economy. O yea your right all sinners, liars, homosexuals, killers and etc will be at the gate. There is no scripture that glorified homosexual, but do give purpose to man and women, but you still believe in homosexuality is ok. It’s clear and obvious and is proven naturally why its disgusting and abomination to God. Like a fool with no evidence lacking common sense, and ignores the signs. You have nothing its like your so smart your dumb, and I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Nothing in this world leads to your possibilities, but your sympathy and softness to people who will suffer for their choices and they are not suffering because of us and are decisons, its denial and he’s here to kill those that walk in flesh.

550 Alan December 2, 2011 at 4:21 pm

No, sorry, you can’t impose procreation as a principle for marriage just because you want it to be. Procreation is not a principle for marriage in either its definition or as stated in law. As I have pointed out before, if you are going to require procreation for marriage then there are many heterosexual marriages that must also be disallowed.

And, no, civil rights do NOT belong to African Americans. The abolition of slavery instigated the constitutional amendments and following laws, but once it goes into the constitution, it becomes much broader. If you look up “civil rights” you will see that it is defined as: rights to personal liberty established by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. constitution and certain Congressional acts, especially as applied to an individual or a minority group. The 13th amendment does relate specifically to slavery, however, the 14th amendment reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. It is the “equal protection of the laws” clause that extends to ALL American citizens, not just blacks.

The rest of your comment is more of your rambling and preaching, as well as points I’ve already covered…I’m not about to re-tread old territory. Enjoy the merry-go-round ride, going around in your ignorant, intolerant little circles…I don’t plan to join you.

551 Dani November 29, 2011 at 1:47 am

Alan I think you just became my hero. You have made the best point on this whole website.

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552 Kate Rudd November 30, 2011 at 12:44 pm

I think that this whole comment spree has gone to shit because of you Bible pushing bastards. Seriously, JUST DEAL WITH IT. Don’t push your Jesus on us because we believe in what we believe in. If you don’t believe then okay! That’s not my problem. But YOU are the one who has to deal with the shit when it’s thrown at you. And when you can’t throw your facts out there, or they are fucking stupid, I’ll be the one to laugh in your face and call you an idiot. Now argue over that. Assholes.

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553 Shelbie November 30, 2011 at 8:22 pm

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The reason everyone is so confused on this issue is because they do not get their guidance from the HOly Word of GOd. The BIble is the inspired book of GOd and is to be used by every Christ follower. Those that understand the Holy BIble and live by what it says understand that IN the beginning (Genesis 2) God created man and woman….”For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and the two shall become one flesh” (v. 24-25) Any other relationship besides that of a man and woman cannot procreate the way GOd intended. God could have created two men or two females to act in those ways, but he didnt! the Truth is everyone on earth was born a sinner, being gay is a sin, lying, cheating, etc. is a sin…it is all the same in Gods eyes. However everyone has a choice to give into their sin…sadly most people choose to give in. God gave us a way out through his son JEsus CHrist who takes away the sins of the world (no matter anyone has done) and wipes them clean! All one must do is recognize his sin and ask for forgiveness.

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554 Alan December 1, 2011 at 12:07 pm

Shelbie, I can assure you that I am not at all confused, in fact my understanding and knowledge on this issue is quite clear. You are the one that is confusing some things. For instance, you are confusing procreation and marriage – you are not alone in this, but it is still a confusion. The whole “man shall leave his father and mother and the two shall become one flesh” is the union of two people for the purpose of producing succeeding generations. This was Genesis, “in the beginning” with the need to “be fruitful and multiply.” The Hebrews were highly focused on this, because they knew that, if they were to maintain control of the land where they had chosen to live, they had to have enough succeeding generations to do that. We have plenty of people, all around the world, so we don’t need to worry about producing more – in fact, some of us need to stop! You’re also confusing any and all references to Biblical / religious beliefs and American law. We’re talking about marriage laws, not personal or religious beliefs related to marriage. Our various religious beliefs can inform our decisions related to law, but no one set of religious beliefs can dictate law – the Constitution forbids that. Besides that, if you really wanted to start basing everything in this country on the Old Testament, we would need to reconsider the abolishing of slavery, burn down all the Red Lobster restaurants, slap restraining laws on all the farmers who rotate their crops, and just sit silently while parents kill their disobedient children. As a Christian, I live by the New Testament and, as an American, I abide by American law (“Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s”). And, I will say, yet one more time, since you, and others, don’t seem to bother reading other posts in this forum: You can NOT establish, irrefutably that being gay is a sin – there is nothing in the Bible that irrefutably declares that. So, all your comments about sin are totally irrelevant to the issue of gay marriage. Sorry, Shelbie, you’ll have to do better than this to establish any good reasons that gay marriage should not be allowed. (And, BTW, I’m sure eveyone would appreciate it if you’d stick to the issue, and not use this as a soapbox to preach your little sermons on sin.)

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555 Shelbie December 1, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Alan,
My comment above was for a conversation that happened earlier on so it has more to do with what was going on in that CONVO, so I am sorry. However, you said some things that I think are important to address. If you claim to be a Christian then why are you for gay marriage?…even if gay marriage supposively is as “Lawful” as heterosexual marriage so you say it is against SCripture. Every christian should understand that the official law is the BIble. Every person in government is who God placed to be there and we are commanded to follow their order until it goes against what the BIble says, and the BIBle is not for same sex marriage, so in this case you should not be for the law (Its called standing up for your faith)!!! If you go back to the very beginning God destroyed Sodom and Gomorah for their sexual immorality including gay relationships! IN 1 Corinthians 6:9- paul says, ” Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God ? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY…” I think this verse makes it pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin…those that practice it without realizing it as sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. The WHOLE BIBLe, not just the NT is breathed out by GOd and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). The WHOLE BIBLE is inspired by God, so I am sorry ALAn but I dont think you get to pick and choose what parts of the BIble you want to live by…its all or nothing.

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556 Alan December 2, 2011 at 2:04 am

I don’t claim to be a Christian, I am a Christian and I am in favor of gay marriage. I’m personally surprised that you are surprised that a Christian would be in favor of gay marriage – you apparently associate with a very closed group that is not aware that there is a wide spectrum of opinions among Christians in this country regarding the issue of gay marriage. When you make comments like “every Christian should understand…” you are once again speaking from the perspective of one end of the spectrum. You will find there is a very large number of Christians who understand that the Old Testament is a history of the Jews, and that the laws, especially the laws in Leviticus, were written for the Hebrews. The Bible is not “the official law” but rather a history of the law. As a Christian, what might be considered “official law” (and even there we are playing a little fast and loose with the semantics, because it really doesn’t apply in that manner) is what we find in the New Testament. I refer, specifically to Jesus’s response to the question, “What is the greatest commandment?” – you know the response, ending with, “on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Jesus spent much of his preaching time re-interpreting the laws of the Old Testament; now we have some Christians who ignore Jesus’s work and want to go back to the Old Testament as if Jesus had never done his work. I must strongly disagree with your suggestion that “every person in government is who God placed to be there” – you have no basis for that, from the Bible or any proper religious instruction, so I must simply ignore it. I will also stand firmly in opposition to your comment that “the Bible is not for same sex marriage” – there is nothing in the Bible that says anything one way or the other in regard to same sex marriage, so that comment, too, must simply be ignored unless and until you provide basis for it. As far as your comments related to passages in the Bible that supposedly make reference to homosexuality, you really must go back and read earlier posts before you speak – if you do you will find that I have very clearly and easily dismissed each of those passages, showing that none of them make irrefutable reference to homosexuality as a sin – you can put the words in all caps, bold, and underlined, and it is still a mis-translation of the original Hebrew and/or Greek. That includes the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the passage from 1 Corinthians. I’ll say no more on any of that until you can establish that you have gone back to read what I’ve already said. And, I’m sorry Shelbie, but I DO get to pick and choose which parts of the Bible I obey. I made that choice when I declared myself a Christian, meaning follower of Christ, and I follow his words, including his very manner and style of interpreting the Old Testament. Here again, go back and read my comments regarding Jesus’s manner of obedience to the “law” – then perhaps we can have a debate rather than your simply preaching yet another sermon.

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557 Shelbie December 1, 2011 at 8:59 pm

.Oh, and another thing…
BEfore Christ…living was different they had to sacrifice animals to GOd in order to atone for their sins…GOd was among the people. GOd kept sending kings and judges to try and rescue the people but no”human” could save them..so he sent his son who would the perfect SAvior. I know I am getting off topic, but I am just trying to explain theHUGE importance of the OT. SO even though the NT seems more applicable ..the OT is just as great and you should reread it … maybe you’ll begin to see.

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558 Alan December 2, 2011 at 2:10 am

Shelbie, I’m glad that you “begin to see” that there is a great difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Please stop being so condescending as to think you need to explain anything anyone — you can debate, you can comment, but when you try to “explain” you are behaving as if you are the educated and everyone else is uneducated. It’s not that the NT “seems” more applicable, but that, for Christians, it IS more applicable. And, my dear, I have read and re-read the Old Testament, many times. Get down off your high horse and stop speaking in such an obnoxiously sanctimonious manner.

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559 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 11:11 am

I think that it is pointless for me to even speak my opnion because everything I say will be taken from SCripture and you do not seem to like or understand that. To me, the BIble is the answer to everything…it is where I get my guidance…we are obviously reading two different books, because I am not exactly sure, after I have pointed you to VERSES against homosexuality (and it still applies for two gays getting married..Im sorry)why you think gay marriage is acceptable. Im sorry that you think I am on a high horse; I am just simply quoting Scripture..and thats what I will always do to defend myself because it is how I live. (2 Tim. 3:16),,, I know that I am not better than anyone..JEsus living in me is the only thing that makes me different from the world (Sorry, if you think thats preachy)

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560 Alan December 2, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Shelbie, it is pointless for you to speak your opinion when you are basing it on that for which you are not willing to provide adequate substantiation, and when you ignore what others have already said that provides very clear points in opposition. Have you even bothered to ready anything I’ve said earlier, addressing the very points you have made? You may not agree with my point of view but, in a proper debate on an issue such as this (gay marriage, that is) you must at least acknowledge the other person’s argument. In case you are not aware, you ascend your high horse when you suggest that I would not “understand” – I happen to have read and achieved a high level of understanding of the Bible. The fact that my position does not agree with yours is not a lack of understanding, on either of our parts, but an indication of a difference of understanding. My point is and always has been that there is more than one way to interpret many parts of the Bible – your stance is that there is only one way – YOUR way – of interpreting it. Such a stance only signifies obstinacy, not understanding. No, we are not reading two different books, but different translations, from different points of view; and my understanding of the Bible goes beyond simply reading the words, even from multiple translations, to investigating the origin of the words, including their original meaning both linguistically and culturally, to gain a full and complete understanding of the meaning. You are quoting scripture, but are not taking the time to even listen to or consider the multiple meanings that might come from it. I do not discredit you for following your beliefs – but I do highly discredit you for assuming that anyone who does not ascribe to those beliefs, exactly as they are formed in your mind, is wrong. (And, BTW, when you become preachy is when you go beyond simply applying scripture in relation to the primary point of this forum and continue with several sentences that extend the discourse into sermonizing .)

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561 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 11:20 am

Romans 13:1,
For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

I think this verse in Romans makes it pretty clear that all those in authority have been instituted by GOd.

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562 Alan December 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm

Nope…it’s referring to authority over the universe, and the Kingdom of Heaven…not over who is going to be mayor, governor, president — those are all earthly authorities over earthly institutions.

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563 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 11:43 am

It seems that we do not view Scripture in the same way you”pick and choose” and I believe it all..which I think is why you keep thinking I am being preachy.

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564 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm

I will be praying for you though and encourage you to read scripture more thourougly. From reading all the comments it seems that most people have been deceived. The Bible also mentions that too.

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565 Alan December 2, 2011 at 12:47 pm

See, there you go, being so highly sanctimonious, thinking you need to pray for me…pray instead for your own understanding, and the willingness to listen to others around you….and for the humility to accept that you might not be right all the time.

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566 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 12:12 pm

Another thing, You can believe what you want about homosexuality as a sin or not…everyone will find out in the end when God judges the world…just like he did with SOdom and GOmorah. ITs not too late for people to repent though!

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567 Alan December 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Yep…we’ll all fiind out….and won’t you be surprised when there’s this huge crowd of gay couples gathered in heaven, waiting to welcome you. (And please go back and read what I’ve said about Sodom and Gomorrah in earlier posts — you just MIGHT find it enlighening, if you can open up your mind long enough.)

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568 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm

Ive went back to read your posts…and frankly they do not make since to me, I think that you are rude towards others that have a different opnion…it is not kind to tear people down when you get frustrated. I think I agree with some of what Vince was saying!

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569 Alan December 2, 2011 at 11:44 pm

They don’t make “since” to you? Perhaps that’s because you have difficulty with properly constructed English…Oh, dear, was that rude? You see I really want lessons in courtesy, and I’m sure that someone who is as consistently condescending and sanctimonious as you are would be the perfect teacher. I have never been frustrated on this forum; quite pleased, in fact, when people like you allow me to make my points so easily in the face of your own small-minded obstinacy. But, anyway, if you really have read my posts, please be sure you do not re-hash old territory…that gets quite tiresome. And, did you have a point to make regarding the primary issue of this forum, or just come back to make a personal snipe?

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570 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm

there is no marraige in heaven btw!..so there wont be couples!

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571 Alan December 2, 2011 at 11:47 pm

Shelbie, you’ll note I said “gay couples” not “gay married couples”…And if you don’t believe that we will recognize our loved ones when we reach heaven then apparently you don’t know your Bible as well as you thought. I refer you to Gen. 25:8, 35:29, 49:29: Num. 20;24; Judg. 2:10; Matt. 17:3, 8:11; and Luke 22:17-18 – all of which indicate that we will recognize our loved ones in heaven. Those who were couples in this life will recognize and can be reunited in the next life…that is, if you believe the Bible…you do, don’t you?

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572 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

I didnt say that you would not recognize your loved ones did I? I said there would be no marriage (Matt 22:30). But then again your view of heaven is totally different from mine because I believe in the heaven that it talks about in the BIble. Not sure what you think.

573 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:47 pm

I still do not understand how you dont understand! IT says in SCRIPTURE that homosexuals and the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom! What do you think that means ALAN? I have given you reason, you just choose not to believe it.

574 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm

I think it means that you don’t know how to read the Bible or my comments regarding it….and the merry-go-round music keeps playing……

575 Caitlin December 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm

i am bi and i am glad people suport SS marriage. amd for the people who dont i dont care bout them.

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576 Char May 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm

You sound like my Daughter and the same name so are you? if not I apologize.

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577 Saraa December 2, 2011 at 2:40 pm

I believe in gay marriage. Everyone is talking about how god will judge you and you will go to hell if your a homosexual, but my Uncle is a gay priest, and he’s one of the best priests in California. So he’s not going to hell. Everyone is equal. and should be treated equally :)

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578 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm

WE shall see!!!! I WIll be praying for this world- It DESPERATELY needs JESUS!

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579 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm

I am sorry to dissapoint you Sara and Vince but unless gay people repent of their sin they wont be allowed in the kingdom of GOd. IF you do not believe me read the BIBle!

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580 vince December 2, 2011 at 9:39 pm

SHELBIE I AGREE WITH YOU, HE JUST DON’T BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN.

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581 Shelbie December 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm

ALAN*

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582 Alan December 2, 2011 at 11:53 pm

Oh, dear, Shelbie, I seem to have you so flustered you end up accusing your friends of being on the wrong side. You must keep Vince on your side…the two of you make a perfect couple, both for your opinions and your less than stellar command of the English language. Now, can we get back to the issue at hand?

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583 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:43 pm

You seem to be more bothered than myself Im afraid. Ill admit I made a mistake. I know that I am write because I believe the very word of the Bible. Thats all I need to say. THe issue at hand is that this country was once founded on the Bible and so many people are trying to get rid of that, sadly it seems to be working. But do not worry, EVIL will not win, satan will not be defeated! PRAISE JESUS!

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584 Alan December 4, 2011 at 8:17 pm

I’m so glad that you know you are write….do you also believe that you are right? Believing the Bible and understanding it are two separate issues…I am quite sure you believe every word in the way you read it, but what you’re not getting is that you just might not be reading it the one and only way that it can be read. You’re also contending that “this country was once founded on the Bible” which is not at all historically correct. This country was founded by men, many of whom believed in the Bible, but even among them there was a very wide range of differing beliefs in relation to the Bible. You are now expecting the country to base its laws on your very strict and narrow interpretation of the Bible. That cannot happen, because the Constitution forbids the establishment of a national religion; so you must stand in line at the voting box along with people whose religious beliefs are quite different, perhaps even in exact opposition to yours. That includes Jews, Moslems, atheists, Buddhists and others who would find your “Praise Jesus” declaration quite off putting, even offensive. (Oh yes, and you really should re-read what you type before hitting “send” – you have just declared that “Evil will not win, satan will not be defeated” – the Satanists standing in line to vote will like that, but your Christian friends won’t care for it too much.)

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585 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm

you seem to be more bothered Im afraid. I know that I am right because I believe every word from the BIble…I got JESUS on my side and that is the best place to be!

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586 vince December 3, 2011 at 10:12 am

Alan stop it; there is no proof that gay people are born Gay. If your saying that statistics proves this matter; its silly. Plus by the way, did you know that gay people are at a 17% higher or even more risk than straight people, so before you start that we all can catch it crap, homosexuals statistically in America have that higher percentage rate of Aids, higher then straight people and that’s a fact. I work at a health practice, and when a gay people go to see there doctor there always told about their higher risks for all types of diseases not just Aids, but cancer that builds in the penis and anal from homosexuality. They got medicine for gay people that can help them from getting aids, if it was so normal then why do they need that type of help to live their lifestyle.

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587 vince December 3, 2011 at 2:01 pm

Alan stop it; there is no proof that gay people are born Gay. If your saying that statistics proves this matter; its silly. Plus by the way, did you know that gay people are at a 17% higher or even more risk than straight people, so before you start that we all can catch it crap, homosexuals statistically in America have that higher percentage rate of Aids, higher then straight people and that’s a fact. I work at a health practice, and when gay people go to see there doctor they’re always told about their higher risks for all types of diseases not just Aids, but cancer that builds in the penis and anal from homosexuality. They got medicine for gay people that can help them from getting aids, if it was so normal then why do they need that type of help to live their lifestyle.

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588 Alan December 3, 2011 at 2:10 pm

Stop what, Vince? Stop refuting all of your unsubstantiated arguments? Stop showing that you cannot establish that homosexuality is a choice or a sin? Sorry, Vince, I will only stop when you and others stop presenting all of your erroneous information.

As far as statistics establishing that homosexuality is inborn, and not a choice, I will refer you to a list of studies that establish evidence that people are born gay. These include studies of twins (Bailey and Pillard, 1991; Bailey, Dunne & Martin, 2000; Langstrom, Carlstrom, & Lichtenstein, 2010) which indicate that factors prior to birth account for the significantly greater percentage of influence on the person’s sexual orientation. There are also studies (Hamer, Magnuson, & Pattucci, 1993; Hu, Pattucci, & Patterson, 1995) establishing genetic factors – obviously in place before birth – associated with homosexuality (that is, found in homosexual, but not heterosexual men). There have also been studies of the linkage between a mother’s genetic make-up and homosexuality of boys (Booklandt, Horvath, Vilain, & Hamer, 2006), birth order (Blanchard & Klassen, 1997) and pheromones (Berglund & Lindstrom, 2005), the last of these establishing that gay and straight men respond differently to odors related to sexual arousal. These latter studies found that both women and homosexual men, but not heterosexual men, were significantly more easily aroused by a testosterone derivative found in men’s sweat, while heterosexual men, but not homosexual men, were more easily aroused by an estrogen-like compound found in women’s urine – this study establishes an inborn, internal, automatic sexual arousal response, with homosexual men born to be aroused by other men, and heterosexual men born to be aroused by women. There have also been found to be a number of physiological differences (that is, inborn physical differences) between heterosexual and homosexual men, including penis size (and anyone who has tried knows you can’t change your penis size!), and the size of various portions of the brain, as well as differences in response within various portions of the brain – all of which must be inborn and cannot be the result of environmental factors.

As far as the HIV issue, I was not suggesting that gay men are not more likely to contract HIV than straight men, but only that HIV is not exclusive to the gay population. It is a virus, contracted and spread by contact with human bodily fluids of someone carrying it. There are a number of cultural factors that increase the likelihood for a gay man to contract the virus, but to suggest that it is some sort of punishment from God for being gay is ludicrous.

And, poor, dear Vince, I seem to also have you quite flustered , as you posted the same comment twice. Calm down, relax! And, Vince, if you don’t like my responses to you, it is very simple: just stop posting here.

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589 Vince December 3, 2011 at 4:22 pm

Save it Mr. Possibility; with your opinionated researchers. Sexual attraction starts in the brain, it was hypothesized that there were different hormone balances in the womb, but to this day it has not been proven, because they haven’t been measured. Know studies have proved that the more older brothers a boy has, the more likely he is to develop a homosexual orientation. All of the studies reporting possible hormonal influence on homosexuality suffer from the lack of any real evidence that hormones actually play any role in sexual orientation. In addition, a 5-year study of lesbians found that over a quarter of these women relinquished their lesbian/bisexual identities during this period: half reclaimed heterosexual identities and half gave up all identity labels. So saying that studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances. The fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time suggests that at least part of sexual orientation is actually sexual preference. Attempts to find a “gay gene” have never identified any gene or gene product that is actually associated with homosexual orientation, with studies failing to confirm early suggestions of linkage of homosexuality to region Xq28 on the X chromosome. This shows that it comes from the environmental development stages and its still a choice. Find better proof, because the scientist cannot prove anything yet. People punish themselves; as I quoted before “you live like a fool you die as a fool”; they are responsible for their actions. Which in this case they are suffering and limited naturally, and there is nothing man can do about people who making harmful decisions to themselves, they just have to suffer the consequences that could be avoided just by not acting on it. God gives us choices, you will suffer if you don’t make wise decisions ; which come back to my conclusion is that if what you feel validates what’s right for you in life, you are a fool; (Respectfully)

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590 Alan December 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm

Aww, poor Vince, still grasping at those straws, thinking that simply declaring verifiable information as coming from “opinionated researchers” invalidates it. But, you see, I have cited legitimate research, giving you the actual citations so that you can check them out yourself (if you have the capability to read and understand scientific research, that is). Knowing your command of the English language (or, actually, lack of it) it is obvious you have simply cut and pasted your unsubstantiated opinions from some anti-gay website. You cite no actual research, only someone’s “opinionated” (to use your word) summary. Until you provide the citations so the research can be examined properly, I must quote from the material you copied and declare: “you are a fool; (Respectfully).”

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591 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm

this is sad. Christians are the body of Christ and are supposed to be together on this issue. GAY MARRIAGE is SOOOO OPPOSED by GOd and every TRUE..CHRIST FOLLOWER..those that DENY their own desires and give up the flesh..(Meaning DENY the GAY tendancies they have) understand this. You have been deceived my friend. All your statistics mean nothing compared to what Scripture says..and like I pointed out to you earlier Scripture is against homosexuality in EVERY form no matter what you say. IT does not matter how smart you are..Im sorry, SCRIPTURE IS breathed out by the very person who created this universe who made all the little people who studied all those statistics you keep telling us about. THey are not important unless they view with scripture…thats why I have not been reading them.

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592 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:25 pm

I hear the merry-go-round music playing as you continue to run around in circles. You keep insisting “the scripture says….” but simply declaring something as being so doesn’t make it true. I have provided my evidence that the scriptures can be read more than one way. To ignore that, and to ignore the statistics I have provided is the basis of…well, quite obviously: ignorance.

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593 Tayshawn Childs March 15, 2012 at 7:08 pm

@SHelbie You’re so damn annoying!

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594 vince December 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm

No if you re-read your comment yours sound like an opinion, nothing in your statement is actually factual, we all can post names, but none of your scientist have ever been able to prove that people are born gay, but they do lean on a possibility, just like you. I make logical sense, you make: well its possible, but I not really sure sense. So get over it, they are lacking evidence period; if they did we wouldnt have this discussion, because there wouldnt be a debate. We are right technically, just on the bases of that, Mr poor Alan. So keep trying remember its not me causing this, his name is Mr. Natural aka common sense and his boss GOD.

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595 Alan December 3, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Oh, Vince, you only continue to show your lack of understanding, first of the Bible, now of science. If you really knew anything about scientific research, you would know that it is impossible to prove anything, either way — the best scientists know this. I’ve never used the word “prove” but only “evidence.” You say that “we all can post names” — well, then, where are yours? And, yes, the research I cite does “lean on a possibility” — but that is exactly what all research does — indications, evidence, and possibilities. You say that you make “logical sense” — exactly how is that? Just because you say so? I have presented scientific evidence providing a very strong indication that homosexuality is inborn — you have presented none, at least none that can be examined and verified. Present your evidence, then we can talk — until then, what you are relying on is not common sense, but nonsense.

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596 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm

my other question for you ALan is…that if you do not think homosexuality/gay marriage is a sin…then what do you think is? How do you view sin? Because homosexuality is pretty gross, its pretty messed up and its not the way that God designed things. Im just curious, because I really think that is where the real question lies. How do you view sin? How bad do you think we are? Because next to JEsus we are pretty filfthy,the Bible explains it.

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597 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm

Shelbie, I thought you were tired of debating with me…yet here you are. To get into any discussion of what sin is or is not is totally off track here. If you and I were having coffee somewhere, it might make a very interesting discussion, but it has nothing to do with the primary question at hand on this site: should or should not gay marriage be legal. In the midst of it, you can’t simply throw out your snide little personal views on homosexuality and walk way — to suggest that it is “not the way that God designed things” takes us into a whole different line of discussion. Just exactly how is it not the way god designed things — provide your evidence for that, and the debate can continue.

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598 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 7:05 pm

How is it off track alan? Thats the problem we face here..you and I…the world about homosexuality. Everyone always says “Where does it say homosexuality is a sin in the BIble?” “THe BIble does not say its a sin?”- THats what you claim..isnt it?…my question is totally on base…what do you view as sin? it is a simple question, that I think you are escaping. If people really understood what sin is..and what it means for their life and how God views it..it would totally change this debate!

599 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 7:11 pm

And to answer your question to how is it not the way GOd designed things is that you need to read GEnesis. God Created a helper fit for Adam, which was EVe-a woman. THeir parts fit together in order to procreate…it cant work any other way than that. HOw is that not a good enough answer?? haha I sooo do not understand with how you all think

600 Alan December 4, 2011 at 11:26 pm

You know, Shelbie, for someone who thought it was pointless to debate me, you certainly seem anxious to keep stabbing at it. You keep coming back and inserting comments related to questions to which I’ve already responded – so, now to your point that homosexuality does not fit God’s design because of what it says in Genesis. What you must remember about Genesis is that it is a description of origins, not a dissertation on marriage relationships. You’ll notice that the word “marriage” is not mentioned there. The first time any mention of marriage is made is in Genesis 19 where the Bible tells us that Lot’s daughters had married some men of Sodom. Because marriage is not mentioned until then, are we to assume that no marriages took place until then? No, of course not. But the same can be said about many aspects of human relationships – just because they are not mentioned doesn’t mean that God is forbidding them, just that they simply aren’t mentioned. The Genesis 2 account also never mentions wedding gifts, wedding rings, getting married in church, or adopting children, but no one would say we mustn’t allow any of those because they didn’t exist between Adam and Eve. Also, notice that the primary reason for the creation of Eve is as “companion” for Adam – not wife, spouse, but companion. Because the writers of Genesis were significantly more familiar with the traditional man/woman relationship, that is all that they felt needed to be described. But it still does not disallow other types of companionship. Of course, while we’re talking about Genesis, perhaps you’d like to explain why the order of creation is different between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Did God get it wrong one of those times? Did he forget how he did it between when he dictated Genesis 1 and Genesis 2? Or – and I know you will refuse to accept this – could it be that Genesis was written by men, not dictated by God, and the Hebrews knew two different versions of the creation story, and decided to keep them both. Once you accept the possibility – and a very likely possibility, from all that we know – that the Old Testament was created, revised, and edited over time, by men, then you can understand that it is best to be viewed primarily as a history of the Jews – their origins, exiles, returns to Canaan, their laws and the development and establishment of their religion. The Old Testament can be informative, but should not be taken literally and applied to present-day American Christians. Thank you for bringing up Genesis 2 so that I could make that point!

601 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:58 pm

The bible is what we rely on. we have given that to you, but you choose to ignore.

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602 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:18 pm

Sorry, dear — I’m not at all igoring the Bible — simply reading it with a much more open mind than you.

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603 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm

If you do not see homosexuality as filfthy (like all sin), and if you do not oppose it then something is wrong (if you are a christian like you claim to be) If you are not, this arugment would make better since to me. How can you not see it as wrong, if you are not saved by the precious, perfect blood of Jesus Christ?

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604 Alan December 4, 2011 at 6:16 pm

The basic problem is that you continually work under the premise that homosexuality is a sin, while I do not. My position is: homosexuality is not a sin, and there is nothing any more right or wrong about homosexual relationships than heterosexual relationships. Setting aside homosexuality as a sin makes it perfectly reasonable to be a Christian and still be in favor of gay marriage. I’m not saying that you have to agree that homosexuality is or is not a sin but, until you understand the basic premise from which my point of view comes, any debate with you becomes quite fruitless. So, make up your mind, Shelbie dear, whether you really plan to debate or not — and, if you do, stop running around in circles.

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605 SHelbie December 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm

you did not really answer my question Alan.

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606 Alan December 4, 2011 at 7:32 pm

Exactly…because it is not an appropriate question for this forum…another place, another time…not here….did you not get that?

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607 Christy .Y December 4, 2011 at 7:31 pm

I’m Christian but no one in this Earth can truely understand God nor the Bible. I believe that homosexual has the right to be married. And for Christians who don’t think so, Bible keeps telling you to defend the weak and look at all the remarks that criticize the homosexuals. If you are true Christians you should defend them. Also, Christians should not judge others. America is called country of freedom. However, homosexuals don’t apply to those rights. They get criticism from school, work, and by familes. We are all sinners and only God is the one to judge the sinners.

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608 Char May 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm

Thank you for talking about the part of judging. Finally someone who is a Christian who remembers the part about judging. Christy you have a great mind. I agree with you

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609 vince December 4, 2011 at 10:24 pm

Shelbie, its not worth it. God has opened our eyes to wicked things of the world through the word of God and through our own experiences. This is basic knowledge, and some people just think its so difficult to understand Gods purpose for man and women. Faithfully God has helped us with this situation in the past and even to this day. All the things god glorified we are able to experience and seek it with out causing harm to our body mind and soul. So basically I’m saying God never put us in a situation that causes us to suffer, when we are seeking hi3s word. In history when has God ever blessed his children with anything with results leading to sickness and death, unless he wanted to get our attention, so that we can repent and be saved. Gods children is not limited in life naturally and throught the holly ghost. Homosexuality is not a gift to be thankful for. We must move on; this is not our battle here, God has fought all this time for us, we must continue to trust him.

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610 Alan December 5, 2011 at 1:47 am

Lovely…Vince has closed his final ( let us hope) sermon, so now let us all turn to our hymnals for the closing hymn and, whether Vince and Shelbie like it or not, as they go out into the world, they will be living and working right alongside many gay men and women, more and more of whom will be able to live together as married couples. Amen and Hallelujah!

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611 Shelbie December 5, 2011 at 8:04 am

Im praying for you ALan, those are my last words. Its pointless trying to argue, no one listens. :) I hope you all figure out the truth! Thanks vince, it was nice having someone else stand for their faith !

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612 Alan December 5, 2011 at 9:05 am

Speaking of listening, while you’re on your knees praying, Shelbie, I hope YOU will listen (remember, prayer includes listening, not just speaking)…perhaps God will open your ears and your mind and help you realize that others have a very strong and vital faith that does not necessarily exactly match the very narrow view of God and the world that you have (including a number of the world’s religions, in addition to Christianity). And, now that you have given the benediction, let us all say one more “Amen”.

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613 Alicia December 8, 2011 at 12:12 pm

This is hilarious. Why has this turned into some stupid religious debate?

Are you not aware that straight couples of every religion get married? If their religion doesn’t believe in a God, should they not be allowed to marry, too? No. Because marriage isn’t about God or religion. It’s about two consenting adults who love eachother, and want to prove that they’re willing to spend the rest of their lives together. As far as I’m concerned, a non-religious man and woman who want to get married are the same as a woman and a woman, or a religious woman and man, or two religious men who love eachother.

Okay, two women and two men can’t procreate normally. And? They can adopt, raise a child and that child can go get married off and have children of their own if they so choose. Oh, but of course, adopting homeless children!? How dare they give them a home and a family, disgusting!
And, but obviously a gay couple raising a child will always make the child gay. Because a straight couple raising a child will always make the child straight!
Can you sense my sarcasm? If that was true, then nobody would be gay in the first place. There is SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE PROVING that being gay is biological, not a choice. Which means your “God” created them that way. And isn’t he supposed to love every one of his children?

I’m not religious. But arguing about two people who want to be married with religion is just STUPID. Since when is marriage about religion? Since never. I get married to the person I love, not God. And if that’s another woman, whoop-de-fucking-doo. It’s none of your business who I want to be with for the rest of my life. It doesn’t effect you in any way. It doesn’t ruin your marriage. The world will not end. Russia will not bomb your country. You will not turn gay. People will not start marrying their pets.

Church and state are separate. Religion should have no say in what is legal and what is not legal, because there is no proof God even exists. Though, if there is, tell him to give me a call! I want to hear him tell me I shouldn’t love who I do love, and then, MAYBE, I’ll consider pretending to be who I’m not and be disgusted as I have to touch a man, because religious prats decide they don’t want to love thy neighbor or whatever; they’re just pissed that they’re losing the fight, that people are becoming more accepting of people who are different, and that people aren’t staying stuck in the past with them. If you’re a woman who’s not a virgin and unmarried, you might as well go kill yourself, because the Bible says you should die!

I’m so glad this generation is more accepting. I’m glad people are gaining fully equal rights, glad people aren’t hurting others simply because they’re different.
And Shelbie, darling, you seem to have some form of mental issue. How hard is it to capitalize one letter at the beginning of a name? Or use an apostrophe, or not put a space between a letter and an exclamation point? Are you still in elementary school? If you’re around twelve years of age, I don’t think you should be fighting with adults like myself.

EITHER WAY, I love women, and I am a woman myself. I’m going to get engaged to the woman I love, we’re going to hitch on down to New York, and get married. And there is nothing you Bible-thumpers can do about that, not sorry. Maybe I’ll link to our marriage ceremony on here to show you all! I’m sure you’d love to see me and my loving wife showing how much we truly love eachother.

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614 The Answer December 13, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
’nuff said

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615 Kay December 13, 2011 at 7:05 pm

I’ve been researching near everything that I could because I’m becoming a psychologist when I get out of school.

I, personally, am open-minded to everything. I help my friends, I remain loyal to them, and I let them make their own decisions, because their lives are not mine to control, nor anyone else’s. I’m not going to spit insults to anyone, because, once again, it’s their opinion, and I will respect it, even if I disagree with it. Homosexual marriage is not correct, however, as marriage is something originally Christians and Baptists and the like made up so they could bind someone to their self. But since the United States of America is a “mixing pot”, and therefore open to all ideas, we should also be able to have two homosexuals bind themselves together like two heterosexual people could. If two heterosexual people were Muslims, does that mean they could not marry, since it was originally another religion’s act? But because if two heterosexual people of a different religion can be “married”, and doing a Catholic or Christian or even Baptist’s act by doing so, that means the same general term should be used for two homosexual people who can and want to take a last and final step. And also, if someone comes at me with a “the bible says that homosexuality is wrong!” I will have to tell you, divorce is also wrong, as is fostering a child, yet most people do it anyway. More than half of America’s marriages, ends in divorce, and approximately a quarter of those divorces end in re-marrying someone else.

For anyone that says “homosexuality isn’t natural!” it is, in fact, natural, because more than 140 species of animals have homosexuals. A homosexual marriage or binding isn’t hurting anyone, because they are completely aware of what they are doing. Unlike some people who do one-night stands or marry in a drunken haze in Vegas. If a person is raped, does that mean that they are a whore because they slept with someone who they weren’t married to, or loved?

And to most people who will pointlessly debate with me, I both come in and leave with a clear mind, without any specific religions or feelings binding me to one opinion. I believe in a divine Creator, so if the most common religion, Christianity, is wrong, because even though it’s most popular doesn’t mean it’s technically correct, though I make no intentional jabs at any one person’s religion, I would be able to say that I tried and will not debate with whoever. With your bible phrases, you force your opinion and your religion on someone else. I do not want any “I will have you in my prayers” or “I hope God opens your eyes” because I do not, nor will I ever care.

I hope to have good debates and points so when I finally walk up to the stand, I have much more evidence than I currently do, to provide America with, just so they realize how tightly their minds may have been shut.

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616 vince December 14, 2011 at 6:29 pm

The funny thing is that some people believe that this is not a subject where, your not going to get feed back, from people that believe in, purpose, culture, religion, and principle. In every court room you will find people defending whatever they believe in; so stop complaining. This might be a small subject to you, but to others it means the world. People do have rights, and opinions and can debate it how ever they like. Forcing your sympathy in any debate will not work. Gay people are born human, Gay people are born into sin, straight people are born into sin and are born human. All humans are born into sin, some some people embrace their sins and some don’t. God was going to Damn the world, because people love their own fleshly ways. But was saved, so saying that God was not pleased about the people, so saying yes God created you, doesn’t mean he’s pleased with you, cause if he was, Jesus would have never died for our sins. So that’s just one point of view, their are many more. We believe people who are embrace their sin while other people fight against it. Some people call it sin, some call it ignorance.

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617 Alan December 15, 2011 at 11:29 am

Vince, you continually forget that the point of this forum is: gay marriage, yes or no. You have said nothing about that. All we have is yet another of your incessant discourses on sin. Sin has no relation to this issue except for those who believe that it does. I have very clearly shown that the belief that homosexuality is a sin can be refuted. This will not stop those who obstinately hold to that belief from sticking by it, but it does establish that there are other views, including a wide variety of views from religions other than Christianity, as well as agnostics and atheists. Each of our individual views will inform our votes on legal issues, but we cannot impose them upon others, nor should we suggest that any single view can overrule all others. We are dealing with a legal issue in a country ruled by law, not by religion. Stop the sermons, and enter the true debate, which is a debate on legal rights. When you have something new to say, let us know.

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618 Kay December 15, 2011 at 5:36 pm

It is for that reason that I want to fight ignorance of most of the human population. I’m fighting for gay rights because my older brother, who is gay, has met the one man he’s only ever looked at. He is Christian, but was kicked from his church because he was gay. I was well aware that I was going to get feedback, as was stated in my last paragraph. My brother was well-aware of his “sin” when he was younger, and felt that he couldn’t love because he thought God and Jesus would look down at him. It took years of reassurance to tell him it was okay to be with the man he loved, and he did and has been with him for a good five years now, which is longer than some straight marriages can be.

It saddens me that I have to resort to my own personal experience to get someone to see that accepting homosexual marriage is okay, and that some straight marriages don’t work out either.

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619 Kayla December 15, 2011 at 12:27 pm

i cant believe some of you people are saying gay marriage is wrong… how is it wrong to love another person? I thought this country was all about freedom and equal rights? Gay marriage should be legalized in EVERY state. It is not wrong in any shape or way to just love another human being. I support gays.

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620 DeAna December 15, 2011 at 2:12 pm

Isnt there something in the US constitution about “The seperation of CHURCH and STATE”? So why is it people keep mentoning religion when ever this topic is brought up? This is just the hopes of an optamistic collage student but maybe one day America will stop fighting with ourselfs and allow others the right to their own beliefs. I am Athest. I support Gay Marriage. I support the 1st amandment and ask everyone to do the same. There is so need to bash on anyone who believes differnt then you do. No ones beliefs are wrong. There is a polite way to argue with someone. People should always have their facts before starting something. I hope everyone here can calm down and speak like responcable adults. Their are more importante issues that should be focased on. I hope everyone has a good day.

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621 vince December 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm

Mr. Sensitive relax (Alan), looking for some attention again. First Kay don’t believe what people tell you , I bet your brother left because he felt guilty, he need to Man up.
He can’t handle the truth. Kayla I can’t believe you think homosexuality is good, how about you tell them to snort some crack while you at it. So deana, if it was do you think this post be up. Or you like Alan you believe in possibility when the truth is in you face. Homosexuals have the ability to have much more, but they limit themselves aka self destruction. So we are not going to tell them its ok, when actually its killing them, its like selling drugs to your own kids to satisfy there pleasure cause it makes them happy and it makes you feel and look like a good person, the real issue here is that I think yall are week and will accept anything, just to hear or feel like your doing a good deed.

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622 Alan December 15, 2011 at 9:28 pm

Oh, Vince, fooling yourself in thinking you can dismiss people so easily. I think anyone who glances back through this forum will realize you are the one begging for attention. I have made my own points very clearly and, unlike you, don’t feel the need to repeat them over and over. As you seem to have nothing new to say, from this point on I will only respond in one of two ways: (1) to engage in an honest debate if and when you say something related to the actual issue of this forum — gay marriage; or (2) to simply tell you that you’re going around in circles, and all I can hear is the merry-go-round music. Stick to the point, Vince, or enjoy the merry-go-round ride — your choice.

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623 Kay December 16, 2011 at 11:28 am

Tell me, Vince, how are homosexuals resorting to self destruction without some bible quote? If you can give me one reason without quoting something from the bible or God or anything that is purely religious, I will respect your demands. They are not doing anything that can hurt themselves, mentally, physically, psychologically, or emotionally. And I don’t care what things you have against me, but you can’t go against my brother, who can’t defend himself online, because that’s a girl move. If you really are a teenage hormonal female, good day to you, ma’am. If you’re not, act like the man you state you are and you believe my brother should be.

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624 vince December 15, 2011 at 10:09 pm

You don’t have no points in those novels you wrote, I bet you talk to much honestly, everything you right is off what somebody told you. What church do you go to or # so I can find out if your pastor is a supporter of homosexuallity, do they got a email, or a website let’s see, if this is your own little way of pleasing yourself, cause I bet your teacher doesn’t support it. I also bet that you are a homosexual yourself. Alan your not going to run all the heterosexuals of here so you can become a star on this web

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625 Alan December 15, 2011 at 11:02 pm

And the merry-go-round music continues to play….

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626 DeAna December 15, 2011 at 11:52 pm

Vince, im sorry but i think your way of thinking is what makes the rest of the world hate Americans. I choose no side. One person has the right as a human being to live their life the way they want to. It is not something someone else can decide for them and to try and force your thoughts onto that person is wrong. America was founded on the blood sweat and tears of people who where tired of oppression and yet we still see oppression every day but instead of 3000 miles away its our neighbors, room mates, school teachers, doctors and many others. I do not like how you addressed Kays comment. You do not know this person or their brother so you have no say in how they felt or how they are feeling. It was a very rude and biggest comment to make to her and I hope you find it in your heart to apologies. No matter what side you are on there is no need to be mean or rude.

That applies to you as well Alan. Your sarcastic comments are not helping your cause, only making you out to be a two-year-old.

Both of your points are very informative and well reashearched, weather it be religion or scientific. You both have very stong views and I give you both props for acting like kids for so long. This has cessed being a question on weather you support gay marriage or not and became and argument over views on religion. It is pointless for you two to keep fighting like this. It is time for you to STOP! Take a step back from this forum for awhile and let others decide with there own thoughts what they want to believe. I hope you take this addvice. You both are too deeply into this and that is not health.

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627 Alan December 16, 2011 at 12:48 am

Oh, thank you DeAna, I’m so glad you find yourself so well qualified to chastise! And, yes, that was sarcasm, since you enjoy it so much. Of course I’m sure your school-marmish chastisement will shut Vince up so much better than all the others who have tried. And I hope you realize that you’re no better than Vince, as you have come here only to chastise without speaking to the question at hand: gay marriage, yes or no. I will say to you as I say to Vince: stick to the point.

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628 vince December 16, 2011 at 3:23 am

Deana first you must learn that Alan is going to have the last word,….. lol I dislike the wrongful attack on the church, most people don’t get kicked out, instead they run, and want to blame Christians as a whole. so yea I apologize, I’m just tired of the lies. People didn’t like and hated Jesus, he was not here trying to give sympathy, so who am I people can’t hate or dislike, you will go crazy trying to satisfy the world. As you can see this debate is just a small percentage.

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629 Alan December 16, 2011 at 8:36 am

Vince, your continual ride on the merry-go-round has made you dizzy as you confuse disagreement with your particular narrow views with attacks on “the” church. Get off the merry-go-round so you can see more clearly that there are many, many Christians out there who do not agree with your anti-gay views. My view is Christian, whether you accept it or not. And you have yet to say anything substantive about the issue at hand.

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630 vince December 16, 2011 at 12:24 pm

Lol I don’t know one church and I will not ever accept a church who believe everything in the bible, but when it comes down to homosexuality it gets praise, and sympathy, nope not me and just like me their are more churches that believe that aswell. They will be sinners just like everybody else that come to church, and its up to them and God to help them. It’s not easy, but I know it can be done and actually I knew people who was Gay, and will testify that their life has greater purpose now then they did when they was Gay.

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631 Alan December 16, 2011 at 12:50 pm

I hear the merry-go-round music….

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632 Kay December 16, 2011 at 11:36 am

See, I think you took my comment for my brother as an attack on the church. I don’t blame Christians as a whole, instead I blame that one man for depriving my brother of something he so honestly wanted. The church is in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and he was removed as pastor, but the damage was already done. So my brother has moved to a church in Seattle and went to college, where he met the man that he’s been with for the past five or so years. And by putting Alan’s name, you’re provoking him, really. We’re not trying to satisfy the world, we’re trying to satisfy this one injustice and judgement against others that we shouldn’t be able to put upon homosexuals.

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633 Alan December 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm

Kay, I’m glad your brother has found both the man he loves and a church as well. Not all are that lucky and, unfortunately, many members of the gay population have given up on “the chruch” having had experiences similar to your brother’s in Indiana (and I’m glad to hear the pastor was removed!). Just as there are more and more states allowing gay marriage, there are more and more churches accepting it as well. And I think you can tell that I am right there with you on the gay marriage issue: it’s a legal issue and must be decided on points other than purely religious views; each person’s religious beliefs can inform his/her views, but cannot dictate American law — and it’s the law we’re talking about here. I think Washington is one of the states that teeters on the brink of allowing same sex marriage — perhaps you’ll get to attend his wedding soon!

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634 Kay December 16, 2011 at 1:31 pm

I’m glad as well that the pastor was removed. He wasn’t very good either, and he irritated me so very badly. I do hope that he gets married soon, because he said I could be the flower girl! The man he’s with is a very nice one (and he better be, because anyone mean doesn’t belong with my brother, and definitely will not be happy with the outcome if they make him sad). I’m okay with all views, but using one person’s view instead of the logical all-around one makes me a bit frustrated, because we’re a “mixing pot” for a reason – we don’t decide completely on something with someone’s point-of-view, with emotions involved.

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635 vince December 16, 2011 at 1:06 pm

Kay I apologize about my comment earlier. To tell you the truth I love everybody, but that doesn’t mean that I have to accept your actions. I have understanding for homosexuals but I don’t accept it, not just because the bible says so. I don’t know nobody who hate homosexuals, but they do believe its sin, and will hate that sin, which might come off as if they hate the person. Some people are homophobic, because they don’t have any understanding to what really going on, so it might be disgusting for a man to want another man.

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636 Kay December 16, 2011 at 1:37 pm

I will forgive, but I will not forget however. I am loyal and protective of my siblings and my friends, and will not take such things lightly. And not all homosexuals are the way they are because they “want” someone else. It can be pure, because some people just love each other because they do. I’m not telling you to accept my actions, because I don’t care about what people think unless it involves family. Just putting it out there that in the eyes of the law, which should be unbiased towards everything, homosexual marriage should be legalized.

And not to be discriminating, but check your grammar. You used double negatives in “I don’t know nobody” so that means that you do know somebody, so unless that was your intentional thought, please fix it.

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637 vince December 16, 2011 at 4:41 pm

I’m fine with the criticism, concerning my grammar. When I write a comment, I’m normally busy and trying to make a quick point. Since I’m speaking my mind in this debate, I really don’t care. Love should not be an excuse for ignorance. People use that for acceptance all the time, just to feel apart of something. I believe homosexual behavior is wrong and love is a poor excuse to use to rectify its actions. As you can see there is no logical explanation, for their behaviour, therefore they will continue to suffer the consequences naturally.

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638 Kay December 16, 2011 at 5:06 pm

Then I shall give my mind completely and wholly. What do you consider homosexual behavior, without including gender? If you take homosexual’s behavior, and not from other’s points of view, but from your own, and compare it to a heterosexual, you will see that there is no difference at all. What consequences are they suffering? If you take some heterosexual’s behavior, even religious ones, and not just certain religions, you will see that there are some “straight” people that can be worse than some gay people. There are are hookers, strippers, prostitutes, and whores, all much more common than a gay or lesbian doing the same thing. And there are no logical explanations for most of humanity’s behavior. Why are people religious? Why are people atheist? Why do people like tormenting themselves or others? Why do people lie? If you can explain this all to me without a word of your or any other religion, then fantastic. However, unless you can logically explain to me why you think that homosexual behavior is degrading or wrong or everything else you say it is, I’m going to have to ask you to please stop.

And I’m a writer, have schoolwork, and am an artist all at the same time, but I still have time to check my grammar.

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639 vince December 16, 2011 at 8:33 pm

Do you want a cookie? What’s the point of life without evaluation. One of the reasons homosexuals are having a hard time is because they don’t understand that. Consequences that they suffer from, comes mostly with the fact that they ignore and dont accept who they are naturally; which comes with depression, insecurity, and low self esteem. Naturally homosexuals are limited when it comes to family. Without the help of others naturally you can’t have children. Without the help of the government you can’t get married. Homosexual are at a higher risk of catching any disease also naturally when these genes comes combined. Do you have to be a genius to see that two penis do not have any purpose compared to heterosexual; a penis don’t belong in another man’s anus. Look this is not like people are not accepting people its people who is not accepting people actions. Naturally when they go see a doctor they have to be to repeatedly told about the consequence of their own actions, did you know when it comes to down to it homosexual also have the higher risk to catch cancer in the anus. Know I now you going to say we all have improper sexual behaviors, but these behaviors comes from homosexuals. Plus more homosexuals catch full blown aids, compare to heterosexuals who might catch H I V. These are things they see when they look in the mirror everyday, but they don’t care they rather be in love with their feelings, more then the obvious.

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640 Kay December 16, 2011 at 9:46 pm

I don’t want your cookie, it might give me stomach pains. And I think most people understand that. But when people gang up against others, that’s low self esteem on the others’ parts. And its alright if they’re limited when it comes to their own children, because they can adopt the children that were orphaned or given up by their parents. They can take care of the kids that the heterosexuals didn’t want. It’s also okay if they don’t want to accept the people’s actions, but it doesn’t mean you have to go against the person either. It’s called prostate cancer, first of all, and secondly, most men can get it anyway, straight or not. Most people can also get STIs anyway, also, not just the homosexuals. And also, scientists have said that the appendix testis have proven to be like the Fallopian tubes in a female. And finally, they’re true to their feelings, instead of trying to appeal to people that actually care what some people’s sexuality is. No one can help who they’re attracted to, just like I’m sure you can’t. If there was a little voice in your head saying that he was God and telling you to be with another woman instead of the one you thought you “love” (because apparently everyone’s in love with only the idea of love to you), would you do it?

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641 vince December 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm

O yea what are you talking about how can you talk about homosexual behaviour without talking about gender, you are sick and need some schooling yourself. Whenever you use the word homo you are talking about the same gender in principle. And you think you helping your brother by supporting him, I feel sorry for the both of you.

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642 Kay December 16, 2011 at 9:14 pm

Whenever I talk about homosexual, I talk about males and females both. So there’s no need for gender. And obviously you’re the sick one. Sick with ignorance and paranoia. I am helping my brother by supporting him because there are people like you who go against him. We don’t want nor need your sympathy; that’s just bringing us down.

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643 Alan December 16, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Vince is quite the one isn’t he. You have hit the nail on the head when you tell him he is sick with ignorance and paranoia. We can only hope that, as loud and annoying as the voices of the Vince’s of the world might be, that they retreat into a smaller and smaller minority. Hang in there, dealing with Vince, and others like him — I applaud you!

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644 vince December 16, 2011 at 11:30 pm

Paranoid of what? I told you I disagree with their lifesytle not the natural person that they was created to be. Look you and Deana always are going to have issues if you think everybody that disagree with the behaviour that they hate them. Yall just want sympathy

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645 Kay December 17, 2011 at 7:27 am

I was hoping that I could come to this website, present my case, and debate civilly, but making attacks on my brother – whether or not you’re aware of them, and I don’t think you are, Vince – I would have to bring it to a personal level as well. I don’t want to do that, as I can get nasty with words. How are homosexuals supposed to live, if they can’t be with the the ones they like? If they can’t date the same gender, but its a “sin”, does that mean that every day they live a lie, because they’re lying about who they really are? What about people that are pansexual, transexual, asexual, bisexual? How do you view them?

646 Alan December 17, 2011 at 8:58 am

I’m glad you don’t deny ignorance, because that’s so obvious to anyone who reads more than half of any of your posts. As far as paranoia, select any part of the following definitions that fit (although typical of paranoia, the one suffering from it always denies it). Paranoia: a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission; baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others; a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur; extreme, irrational distrust of others; a tendency to look for hidden meaning behind other people’s actions; argumentativeness; complaining; low tolerance for criticism; and a constant display of one’s own talents, accomplishments, independence, and rationality. Related quote: “Now only Paranoia is sure that there is One behind the Many.” – Mason Cooley. You see only one way, one answer — ignoring the multiplicity of ideas, answers and, yes, your favorite word, possibilities, is part of paranoia. Admit it, accept it, and you will take the first step toward better mental health. In the meantime, enjoy the merry-go-round ride.

647 vince December 16, 2011 at 10:00 pm

We are not attacking your brother, but his consequences are. We just acknowledge what they refuse to. Go head support your brother with love and understanding. I know its hard, but he will be fine, God loves him the same. People want to know why and how and some don’t want to talk about God, and some don’t want to talk about logical explanations. Aslong as you run from both of these you will become limited in suffer in your own selfishness, because these things are apart our realality.

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648 Kay December 17, 2011 at 7:33 am

My brother makes up the religious half, and I make up the logical half. We have these debates all the time, just for fun. How are running from both religious views, and logical explanations, and how will we become limited and suffer in selfishness, if wanting homosexual marriage benefits everyone else? And yes, I’m aware that religion and logic are both part of our reality.

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649 Alan December 17, 2011 at 9:09 am

And this constant reference to some undefined “we” — just how many people are inside that small mind of yours? Perhaps schizophrenia should be added to the ignorance and paranoia. You (all of you in there) refuse to acknowledge that “God” is not part of everyone’s belief system — you don’t have to agree with it, or like it, but to debate honestly you must accept it — and you are the one who denies logical explanations. You are the one running or, perhaps it’s better to say, riding away on your merry-go-round, gong around in circles, and going nowhere.

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650 Kay December 17, 2011 at 10:36 am

I have schizophrenia… And I really hope Vince doesn’t get motion sickness. That would suck. To be on the metaphorical “merry-go-round” and have motion sickness. I think schizophrenia is only a mental “disease” when most of them contradict each other, resorting in mental conflicts, or all of them agree with each other, resorting in ignorance to most things. That’s why I accept most things, because my schizophrenia allows me to see from other’s points-of-view. I Vince does have schizophrenia (which I highly doubt, but will go along with, anyway), they all probably agree with each other.

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651 vince December 17, 2011 at 10:19 am

Mr. Sensitive always going over board. Look no matter what I say or anybody that comes on here and say; your going to through a fit. Look get mad all you want enjoy the limited life that yall condone for homosexuals, because homosexuals can’t do anything without others naturally and are limited to where they get married at. Yall will have little pieces of thing here and there, but you will always be limited and some type of way. Just a bunch of limited people. So its a whole lot of people besides myself and this post that feels the same, ya’ll sympathy is no match. If ya’ll had the logical explanations; do yall think homosexuals would be going through this now?

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652 Kay December 17, 2011 at 10:48 am

It’s because they’re limited to where they’re married at that we argue like this. I’m hoping that you see our side of the argument (at least I am, not sure about some others) as well as I see yours. I understand that the bible says that “homosexuality is wrong”, and I see where you’re coming from by saying that they’re limited. And I have the logical explanations, if someone were to go through the last practically five million posts I’ve made, they’ll see I only come with facts and statistics. And I have no sympathy for anyone. I’ve stopped being sympathetic after I actually grew up to see the world through my own eyes and not someone else’s. I’ve checked the facts, and homosexuality is being more accepted. If we (ages 30 and under) are the next generation, and most of us say homosexuality should be accepted (a whopping 58%), homophobes are going to be like racists – endangered.

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653 Alan December 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm

BTW, Vince, thank you for honoring me with the title, “Mr. Sensitive” — since we are in opposition, then that means you must be “Mr. Insensitive” — quite appropriate, I think. It’s part of your paranoia to project your own feelings onto others — there is no anger on my part, only calm insistence that your view is not the only one; the anger you are sensing is your own as you discover you are digginig in your heels among an increasingly diminishing minority, To quote a recent Gallup Poll report: “For the first time in Gallup’s tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages.” The limitations to which you keep referring are only temporary annoyances within the grander scheme of increasing ease and comfort within which the gay population lives, both politically and socially. One only need look at the great strides that have been made in the last 40 years to foresee the even greater acceptance the gay population will enjoy in the future. So, get back on your merry-go-round while there are still others to join you.

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654 vince December 17, 2011 at 10:43 am

Kay get over it, your brother will be fine as long as he accepts the things that he is limited to naturally. Its never to late to let go and late God. Since they are grown and developed a mindset that being gay is what they want. To change that would be difficult, that’s the consequences of their actions. So my answer is yes they will live a lie, that was created from desire that Satan planned, whispering in their lives hoping to keep them from God and limiting them to a full life of purpose. That’s why we are debating this now, yall think this is what going to satisfy yall; sorry they will search and search for generations to come. A little secret if they are not satisfied with the natural being that they are, how can you expect the world to satisfy someone, who’s not satisfied with themselves first. You will deny, but its on tv, history, and generations to come, so sit back and enjoy the ride. It won’t be pretty!!!!

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655 Kay December 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

He does accept the things he’s limited to. And being gay or lesbian is something that they can’t change. It’s in their hormones. The levels of androgen in the fetus dictate most people’s sexual preference, so they can’t help who they’re attracted to. And also, the younger generations accept homosexuality more. And we don’t have to satisfy anyone but ourselves. And they’re not living a lie, because they’re being truthful to themselves. And I don’t have to listen to you, because you’re not related to me, so before you go on trying to tell me to do something, take your own advice. If you’re going to tell me to suck it up, why don’t you go first. Please, ladies first.

If you want to come at me with bible scriptures, I will be pleased to explain to you why homosexuality is not wrong, and our sexuality is in fact a gift from God. If being logical doesn’t get to you, then I shall go religious as well.

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656 vince December 18, 2011 at 1:02 pm

You don’t need to go to the bible, because the bible speaks of the things he wants for man and women. God doesn’t praise homosexuals, he do praise heterosexuals in getting married, something that yall can’t do. In the bible do god say that the same gender can get married?… no. It’s already a sin to have lustful desires….yes. So if they can’t get married under God, and their lustful desires are a sin; what’s the point. Look homosexuals are homosexuals for a reason, and its not because they want to love each other; or you might aswell call everybody gay. God would rather them to be single and devote their life to him not their desires. Look God doesn’t want anybody to have sex, until we get married, in the bible homosexual are not allowed to get married, because God speaks with authority to what he wanted for man and woman. So being a homosexual is a sin whenever they lust, and they can’t get married, what they do have is God to help them with desires. These people will be fine as long as they don’t act in homosexual behaviour; therefore it wouldn’t be wrong. They are Gods children and people first, to be gay comes with Indivduals actions; which if it was ok for homosexuals then, than that would seem unfair.

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657 Kay December 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm

The reason why homosexuals are called homosexuals are because they like people of the same GENDER, it has absolutely NOTHING to loving someone else. I don’t even understand what you mean by calling everyone “gay” because they want to love each other. And has it occurred to you that God is referring to man and woman as man AND woman, and not as one noun? Not man and woman TOGETHER, but as people? And also, everything comes with individual’s actions, God created us, but he watches over us and lets us decide our own decision. That one poem “Footprints” is a great reason. He walks with us, and only picks us up when we can’t walk on our own. And also, he praises slavery, rape, and murder. Does that mean you’re fine with that as well?

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658 Alan December 18, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Vince, since you like applying nicknames, here’s one for you: Mr. Redundant. You have not said a thing here that you haven’t said before, and that I have refuted. I will point out one thing: by your logic, all heterosexuals are fully as guilty of sin as homosexuals, simply by being in love with someone, but not being married — you’re essentially saying that no one can be in love with anyone except the one person to whom they are married — that makes no sense at all. At the same time, your logic is the best support of all for gay marriage: to save them from sin, they must be allowed to be married! See what happens when you run around in circles — you end up meeting yourself going the other way! Anyway, continue to enjoy your merry-go-round ride.

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659 vince December 18, 2011 at 9:35 pm

Kay, some people think cause they love each other that makes it right. Alan I was talking to Kay, not you. Waiting until marriage is for Man and Women, homosexuals are not a allowed to get married as far as the bible concern. Having sex period without marriage is wrong, heterosexuals can fix that and get married; Homosexuals can not at all. So if God allows us to make our own decisions, means people are aware of what God wants and don’t. Alan where in the bible do it say homosexuals can get married.? Where in the bible do God say what genders are allowed to get married? Logically you don’t know what logic means, God already set a standard with no possibilities. God speaks to what we must do, without giving possibility. You can’t change that, who’s your pastor please tell me or what church you go to, so I can ask if he teaches this. Marriages as far as the bible goes is only for Man And Woman Period. No erxceptions.

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660 Alan December 18, 2011 at 10:42 pm

Mr. Redundant, you do understand the concept of an open forum, don’t you? Anyone can respond to anyone’s comment, no matter to whom they might have addressed it. Or shall we put that on the list of the many things you don’t seem to understand? As far as your questions — I’ve already responded to them. Unlike you, I don’t choose to be redundant. On your next spin around on the merry-go-round, look back for my earlier responses to those very questions.

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661 Kay December 19, 2011 at 3:38 pm

I wasn’t aware “erxcerption” was a word. And also, that’s exactly why I proposed an alternative that acts just as marriage. Marriage is a Christian, Baptist, Catholic term meant for the bonding of a man and woman. But people that aren’t religious or are something else, such as Muslim or Jewish, can also get married in America. America uses “marriage” as a type of bonding in general, not something strictly coded to the Bible. In America, as of right now, we are trying to vague our terms, because the government doesn’t want to show favoritism, And also, the Bible contradicts itself all the time. Listen to the ten commandments, and read late Old Testament, early New Testament.

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662 vince December 19, 2011 at 6:17 pm

Lol that is not for homosexuals sweetie, relax. O yea if you noticed the E is next to the r, when your writing on your phone, but if that makes you feel good enjoy it. It’s obvious your upset now. So your saying you believe in the bible right? You also believe what the says right ? So how do a person know the bible, but when it comes down to what God says, his rules don’t apply anymore, because you want what you think is right. Hold up did you forget its not about you or what you in the entire world wants. Please find a church that teaches; when it comes down to God you and the world can’t change the rules.

663 vince December 18, 2011 at 9:42 pm

Kay, some people think cause they love each other that makes it right. Alan I was talking to Kay, not you. Waiting until marriage is for Man and Women, homosexuals are not a allowed to get married as far as the bible concern. Having sex period without marriage is wrong, heterosexuals can fix that and get married; Homosexuals can not at all. So if God allows us to make our own decisions, means people are aware of what God wants and don’t. Alan where in the bible do it say homosexuals can get married.? Where in the bible do God say what genders are allowed to get married? Logically you don’t know what logic means, God already set a standard with no possibilities. God speaks to what we must do, without giving possibility. You can’t change that, who’s your pastor please tell me or what church you go to, so I can ask if he teaches this.

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664 Alan December 19, 2011 at 11:39 pm

Well, Mr. Redundant, I am speaking to you when I remind you that you keep expecting people to join you on your merry-go-round ride in which you base your arguments on the fallacy that the Bible exclusively supports heterosexual marriage, and denies the possibility of gay marriage – in fact, it really does neither. You will find, for instance, that there is not the slightest instruction in the Bible about the need for any marriage ceremonies. Within the entire Bible there was only one ceremony that signified the consummation of a marriage, and that referred only to the marriage supper – no vows, no ceremonies presided by a priest or rabbi, no legal documents required; the synagogue or church had nothing to do with it. Marriage in Biblical times was more a legal agreement between the parents than an emotional and independent covenant between the young couple themselves. Biblical marriage was a contract (refer to Prov. 2:17, Mal. 2:14), and it’s actually in this same context that the laws related to this sort of contract, to maintain equality under the law, must be extended to all couples, gay or straight Among the scriptures cited to “define marriage” the one that comes closest (Gen. 2:24) is really more confusing than clarifying: Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh. Exactly who is saying this? It’s neither cited as being something that “God said” or “the man said” – and, if they were the only ones in existence at the time, just exactly who is saying it? And how can it relate to Adam since, if he was created out of the dust of the earth, then he had no father or mother to leave. Besides that, no one has yet explained the contradiction between the creation story in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, each with a different order for the creation of the universe – until that can be explained we have to hold them both in abeyance as any sort of dictate as to what “God intended.” The Bible does provide some rules relating to a man’s obligation to keep a new wife who displeases him on the wedding night (Deut. 22:13-21), his obligation to marry a woman he has raped (Deut. 22:28-30), and spells out the unquestioned right of heroes like Abraham to exploit their slaves sexually. But, unless you can provide something other than scriptures related to the binding of the marriage contract (e.g., related to divorce, remarriage, etc.), there really is nothing that “defines” marriage that can be applied to the dictate that it must and can only be one man and one woman (which is not at all Biblical either – consider the numerous wives Kind David had). The Bible is really very weak as the basis for the support of the “definition of marriage” so often declared by those standing against gay marriage. And, finally, no matter how weak or strong the Bible might be in relation to the definition of marriage, or the outlining of its “rules,” the only people who have any reason to refer to it in the debate on gay marriage are those who feel compelled to abide by it, which excludes the approximately 40% of the American population who are neither Christian nor Jewish. Considering that the 60% who are Christian are quite well-divided on the way they read and interpret the Bible, on many issues but particularly related to the issue of same-sex marriage, it is not difficult to see how the current 53% of the population supporting gay marriage has come about. More and more people, like Kay, are basing their opinions related to gay marriage on logic and law, and not on scripture. Keep spinning around on your merry-go-round ride if you wish, but that ride will continue to get lonelier and lonelier.

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665 vince December 19, 2011 at 11:55 pm

Alan who in the world taught you how to read the bible, please leave it to people who actually knows the bible pleases!!!!!!, now your talking just stupid. Possibility don’t work, either it is or not Mr. Sensitive. Give it up, go find you a church and learn the word. You don’t comprehend to good. You trying t0 hard now. Just like statistics your a liar, and your not that smart you portray to be, making these stupid allegations that you make up, because you can’t man up and say…I Mr sensitive don’t now what I’m talking about, its a possibility that I do, I’m gay and I like Vince and I’m not going to leave him alone until he turn gay with me, I’m so sensitive……:(

666 Alan December 20, 2011 at 12:55 am

Oh, poor, poor Mr. Redundant. So desperate that, instead of trying to respond with his own arguments he must simply rant angrily. Please, do enlighten us all by pointing out any errors I have made in my references to the Bible. Please do explain the contradiction between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Unless and until you can do that, (and I doubt you can, because YOU “don’t comprehend to good” which, by the way, should be “don’t comprehend too well) all you’re doing is getting continually dizzier, and lonelier, on your merry-go-round ride.

667 Kay December 19, 2011 at 8:47 pm

I know, it was sarcasm. I do know how to spell, I am a writer. I have no need to be upset, because it’s not you I’m upset at. It’s the fact that some people are ignorant enough to ignore such a feat as discrimination against homosexuals, or join the other side because it’s “morally wrong” or “against nature” or some such other stupid illogical thing. There is a difference between logic and belief. And I know the bible, it is a book, but I don’t have to believe in it. I don’t want nor think that I am “right”, I just believe it is more justified, and so they are two different things. Being right is something that is a theory; proven to be the same time and time again. Being justified is what you believe in, but has no logical purpose, such as religion and beliefs. It is not about what I nor the “entire world” wants, but what a majority of us accept. If you were to completely divide the world population into a pie chart, you would realize that more of the world have no religion, or do not completely believe in a religion. Has it occurred to you that since the bible was written by human, and they say that God told them what to write, what if they had schizophrenia or something? Have you not realized all the thoughts and wonders that go into the world that we cannot prove? How can we know what’s truly written in the bible, unless you have the original manuscript and can read Hebrew? Many different types of bibles have different sayings. My religion is my own, I believe in a divine Creator, and that’s it. I don’t believe in specifics made by man, but I do not let my thoughts and beliefs affect my logical thinking. I stick entirely into facts and statistics.

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668 Tia January 6, 2012 at 2:19 am

No one should have the right to tell you who you can and can’t marry.

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669 Heather January 26, 2012 at 6:15 pm

The world is far too ignorant and close-minded to realise that love is love, regardless of gender.
I don’t agree with half the shit the bible says, but I don’t make a huge deal, I respect people’s opinions and beliefs.
If “God” didn’t want homosexuals, surely he would of used his magical, sparkly powers to ban it or make it non-existent?

Anyone who does not support homosexuality, I hope you have gay children.

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670 Vince February 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Kay you still mad? Show me a time and date where I said, “I didnt know what Prostate Cancer is”. Plus I dont need to do research I deal with these lying people everyday. Only thing wrong, is all these insercure people on here, who can’t handle somebody disagreeing with them. Weak individuals who cry for something they cant even explain or understand it.

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671 Kay February 7, 2012 at 7:41 pm

Great, so now you’re going to call me out? You didn’t say it, that’s the thing. And I don’t exactly have the time to go through all the crap you said. And I don’t get angry, because my schizophrenia disrupts my emotions. No one on here is “crying out”, they’re trying to show the injustice to someone. It’s like injustice to someone for their race or gender. If no one offered you a job because of your religion, I’m pretty sure you’d be feeling the same thing, Princess.

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672 Geoff February 9, 2012 at 11:23 am

This is for Yankel. You asked two very ridiculous questions, but I’ll answer them anyway. The reason marriage between relations is illegal isn’t based on moral grounds, it’s illegal for HEALTH reasons. It’s a known medical fact that if two people with similar DNA produce a child, that child’s chances of being born with disabilities ranging from mild retardation to severe physical deformities are well above 80%! As for marrying your pet, well unless your pet can sign a marriage license…….. Now I’m not gay, but I do strongly favor gay marriage and why? Because love knows no gender. So if two people love one another, regardless whether they are the same sex or not, why shouldn’t they be allowed to marry? How is the marriage of two men or two women hurting us? It has no effect on me whatsoever! So why should I care? And to those of you who feel the need to defend traditional “Christian values and morals” I ask you, who the hell made YOU God’s policeman? If God feels being gay is SOOO wrong do you really think He needs YOU to help Him?? If God needed mere humans to act as judge, jury and executioner then He is no God! Let God handle things Himself all you have to do is what He tells you to do and Love Thy Neighbor!

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673 me February 10, 2012 at 8:56 am

potatoe

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674 Tristan Williams February 10, 2012 at 8:59 am

I have read all of the comments so far and i am in a 10th grade debate and have found things for both sides of the topic. Thanks everybody, but stay on topic and watch the language, kids read this.

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675 Gay&&&Proud February 13, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Lmfaooo, this shit is funny af. I am straight, but I totally support gay rights. Love has no gender. If two people are in love no matter what gender they are why should it matter if they wanted to get married or not? Now yes, people can argue well why can’t you marry your cousin or blah, well the answer to that is quite simple, because marrying a relative could cause birth affects to a child. & Just because that is just about the stupidest thing I’ve heard. But anywhoo, I support gay right no matter what.

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676 Nicoleeeee February 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm

I believe everyone deserves love no matter if your straight, gay, or bi. I don’t get the big deal about why the government wont legalize gay marriage. I doesn’t hurt straight people and it makes gay people happy. If same sex marriage is legalized or not, there will be gay and lesbian couple no matter what. A legal document doesn’t stop love. I know some people say same sex marriage is against religion but I thought we had freedom of religion here in the US? Love is love and gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders are still humans and deserve love and respect. I hope before I die I can see same sex marriage legal all over the US and I’m only 15 years old so I have lots of hope.

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677 JesseRB February 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm

Umm, why does it say stats as of “December 2012?”

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678 Namaste February 18, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Regardless of whether or not folks “disapprove” of homosexuality or worry that homosexuals will “go to hell”, we are here, we are Americans, we are citizens, we pay our taxes, we serve in the armed forces, we are your neighbors, your customers, we are in your family, we exist, and the only way we don’t exist is if you exterminate us in each and every succeeding generation as an on-going genocide; and still, we will survive you.

You may not like us, you may not believe we should have the same rights as you do, but we won’t go away – so your choices are these: create a society where there are two levels of citizenry and you segregate us; exterminate us with each generation and accept the blood on your hands; or recognize that despite generations of condemnation and second class citizenship and thousands of gay bashing murders, we go on, we continue to exist and allow us the dignity of the same life and commitments to family that you have.

I live in Massachusetts, and I am married to the love of my life. We are extraordinarily boring and ordinary and gay. We go to work each day, we go to church on Sunday, we volunteer in our town, we help our neighbors, we mow our lawn and shovel snow. And I wish you all as much happiness in your life that I have found in mine. May you be forgiven your hatred and find redemption in a God who is Love.

Peace.

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679 Alexis February 20, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Hi, my name is Alexis and I am 15 years old. I am a liberal, agnostic, and I choose not to be open about my sexuality. I will simply say I view myself as gender blind. I do not see someone as what sexual reproduction organ they have, but instead what kind of person they are. I see more than what most of the youth sees in others. I see a human. Good or evil, male or female, black or white or another race. I just see a human. I love that human. I was on this site because of a project for my college class. The project was to find a subject then argue about it. Clearly, my argument is planned to be on gay right. As I scrolled through these comments I thought to myself, “Why all these pointless, ignorant, rude disagreements?” Do you all not realize, even though your view and opinions do matter, that a homosexual relationship(hopefully one day an official marriage) does not hurt you or your children? I was raised around drugs, drinking, and other horrid things… do you really believe if I was raised by a gay father(s) or lesbian mother(s) I would have problems? Personally, I doubt it. I support gay rights and I think sexuality doesn’t harm a thing. Love is love. <3

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680 timothy meier February 21, 2012 at 12:36 pm

hello?

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681 Michael Forsatan February 23, 2012 at 2:27 am

HONESTLY i think that gay marriage shoudlnt even be an issue..i never had to vote to legalize straight marriage. so why should they be able to vote to legalize ours? in my honest opinion, Marriage stands for the everlasting bond between two people who cant see themselves living apart, spiritually, physically, emotionally etc..and that they have eachothers backs through sickness and in health. and its not fair that i cant marry the one who i love. Society though, needs to evolve still. i mean it took so long just for people to see that racism was bad and that segregation needed to end.. so maybe it might take some time for society to fully accept gay marriage. i mean not just marriage but equal rights for everyone..maybe this is going to happen soon; judging by how i started to notice more support for gay marriage.. idk maybe im still too young to understand politics and how this country should be ran, but i sure as hell know im gay..and when i do find that person that i want to marry, i want to marry him. I AM willing to fight for my rights! …cuz obviously the government and half of the closeminded population dont know what rights even are! For all the people saying that gay marriage is wrong, just imagine..REALLY IMAGINE what your life would be like if us gays had to vote to legalize straight marriage..im serious..well anyways im out..deuces

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682 Alan February 24, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Marying someone of the same gender I believe is CRAZY. Prefering the same sex is a deviant characteristic that unfortunately we in this country must put up with. Fortunately is limited by nature to a small percentage of humanity. Rather than spend energy giving rights to gays we should seek to reduce it’s occurrence legally and with science. I.e treat it more like a disease. I would welcome a Marriage Amendment to the Constutition that clarifies legally once and for all that a Marriage is a man and a woman. That is the family relationship ordained by God. If you did not grow up with a good family example I’m sorry for you but I’m not willing to change the laws to promote some pervision. I’m sure you have heard all this before but I’m starting to get more active on this issue politically and just wanted to let you know you are not going to get many gay benefits if I can help it. I have no problem with civil unions to make life a bit more bearable for those of you with this condition but rights for those in civil unions need to be looked at individually to see if they make sence. Trying to obscond with all the rights afforded to married folks by anyone not in a traditional marriage is frankly absurd.

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683 ALAN March 25, 2012 at 1:41 am

To this Alan…since you have decided (and the site has allowed you) to use the name “Alan” I will begin identifying myself as ALAN (all caps) — Anyone reading my posts (i.e., all the others previously under the name “Alan”) will be quite confused to read yours. And, btw, I totally disagree with you. There is nothing deviant about preferring someone of the same sex and it is quite abhorrent for you to suggest that it be treated as a disease to be wiped out. I would suggest that ignorance and bigotry such as yours should be wiped out, but I know that is not possible. And, if you really want people to pay attention to you, learn to spell.

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684 Lisa Doss August 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm

People like you are what have made me lose faith in humanity.

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685 Emma L February 26, 2012 at 9:02 pm

I’m doing a school debate on gay marriages and i am for it. I dont see why people should have a problem with it. Even if in the bible it says it’s a sin those people are choosing to commit thatsin and receive the consiquences of it! Even though I am not gay i still think it should not be a problem. Being gay is part of peoples life and getting married and starting a new life with someone is a big part of peoples lif to and i dont think that people should just take that away just because someone is a bit different.

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686 aj February 28, 2012 at 9:34 am

its adam and eve not adam and steve

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687 dakota February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am

I is homo

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688 jed hoff February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am

ya you would be you queer

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689 BRI February 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Waka-”You think i’m a good rapper”
MGK-”Hell Yeah, Do you think you a good rapper?”
Waka-”FUCK NO”
YEAH BITCH YEAH BITCH

anyways, gay marriage shud be legal. I’m gay && i love booty && Boobies
they make me happy i gotta rican chick ima cuff how im pose to do that when the shit ain legal?? if it ain your life don’t fucks wit it. right? RIGHT. Let gays&&bis&transexuals make there own decisions an all you HATEN ASS NIGGAS BACK THA HELL OFF :p

AK47BO$$ fwm

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690 Rae Rae February 29, 2012 at 11:20 am

i 100% support gay marriage!^.^

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691 jaiden March 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm

good job me too !

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692 alych March 1, 2012 at 8:21 am

gay is the way.

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693 Melia September 4, 2012 at 9:54 am

I agree (:

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694 ladiie.schafer March 1, 2012 at 12:21 pm

being gay shouldnt be debated upon, its HUMAN NATURE….some people are born gay, and some people have no other choice to be gay. if no one is forcing you to be gay yo